If the Balkans never came under Ottoman rule

[Thraex]

I like to guess how things might have turned out if the Balkans never came under Ottoman rule. So, here I go.

The three core Balkan powers (Serbian, Bulgarian and Byzantine Empires) would have probably stayed powerful up to this day. The rise of the Austrian Empire would have probably never happened too since a lot of it was dependent on taking large portions of Balkan territories and Hungary. The Magyars would've probably ended up taking all of Austria and Magyarizing the area.

[Thraex]

A lot of cultural development of the Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians and many others under the Ottoman Empire were stifled. So with the Ottomans not there would mean a richer and more in-depth culture for all Balkan ethnic groups.

Not to mention the fact we would have probably saw a greater continuity between Byzantine Greeks and modern Greeks through the strength of the Byzantine Empire to the transformation of the empire into a modern Hellenic state.

[Vasconcelos]

Poor Austrians.

[Aramis]

[Guapo]

I like to guess how things might have turned out if the Balkans never came under Ottoman rule. So, here I go.

But then the renaissance wouldn't have happened(Greek and non-Greek intellectuals that fueled it fled Constantinople to Italy) Columbus would never have set sail to find an alternate route to India etc. but yeah, poor Austrians. Fuck them anyway.

[Vasconcelos]

Portuguese sailors were exploring a way to India before Constantinople fell, it was the main reason we explored the (West) African coast, despite western maps saying the Indian Ocean was a closed sea.

[mymy]

It happened what happened and we are where we are... unfortunately... and we can't change history, we should think about future. But anyway, i think we lost much because of Ottomans...

[Guapo]

Portuguese sailors were exploring a way to India before Constantinople fell, it was the main reason we explored the (West) African coast, despite western maps saying the Indian Ocean was a closed sea.

And I guess you guys were keeping this a secrect too then eh?

[Vasconcelos]

And I guess you guys were keeping this a secrect too then eh?

Of course, we wanted the spicy food only for ourselves.

[Guapo]

Of course, we wanted the spicy food only for ourselves.

Hmm, what if the Portuguese found the Americas before that Wop and his Moorish sailors did? Now that's a whole new thread.