The Hungarian-Turkish Connection

[Monolith]

Sorry, but wikipedia is not a source. Also, some superficial commonalities might impress an uneducated reader but in this case it is next to impossible to discern real genetic commonality from sheer coincidence.

For example, your picture implies these languages are somehow related because all of them exhibit gender-neutrality. In reality, many other unrelated languages are also genderless ones, like Basque or Persian.

[Pallantides]

Europe 1&2


As one can see Hungarians cluster closest to Germans and far away from Turks.

[demiirel]

Sorry, but wikipedia is not a source. Also, some superficial commonalities might impress an uneducated reader but in this case it is next to impossible to discern real genetic commonality from sheer coincidence.

For example, your picture implies these languages are somehow related because all of them exhibit gender-neutrality. In reality, many other unrelated languages are also genderless ones, like Basque or Persian.

I agree with you that real genetic commonality is not yet established.

What I'm saying is that the languages are very similar.

Loanword or not, there are many similar words between these languages. Here is an interesting source which you might have seen before (unorthodox I know, but still interesting):

http://www.federatio.org/mi_bibl/AlfredToth_EDH_5.pdf

Frankly, there are many Hungarian words here that bear a very close resemblance to Mongolian (and consequently Turkish).

[Blossom]

Haha this is like: FINNISH ARE TURKS!








ah cmon...

The Huns Before Attila:
The Huns first enter the historical record far to the East of Rome. In fact, their ancestors probably were one of the nomadic peoples of the Mongolian steppe, whom the Chinese called the Xiongnu.

The Xiongnu launched such devastating raids into China that they actually motivated the construction of first sections of the Great Wall of China.

Around 85 A.D., the resurgent Han Chinese were able to inflict heavy defeats on the Xiongnu, prompting the nomadic raiders to scatter to the west. Some went as far as Scythia, where they were able to conquer a number of less fearsome tribes.

Combined, these peoples became the Huns.

[Don Brick]

Haha this is like: FINNISH ARE TURKS!








ah cmon...

Well of course not. Finnish and Turkish belong to two completely separate linguistic groups and just a swift glance at the chart demiirel posted should assure one of the vast differences. However I think he is trying to establish some kind of connection between Hungarian and Turkish and perhaps, even more absurdly, Hungarian and Mongolian. Go figure...

[Eldritch]

Turkish and Finnish aren't even remotely related. They share some linguistic similarities (agglutination, vowel harmony, no grammatical gender) absent in Indo-European languages, but not via being etymologically related. That they "sound similar" to some people is a detail that can hardly be presented to justify itself, let alone anything else.

I think Greek sounds similar to Finnish in a way, but that does not make me claim that the two languages are related.

EDIT:

Monolith alerted me that Persian has no gender, either. Thanks for the heads up.

[Äike]

Well of course not. Finnish and Turkish belong to two completely separate linguistic groups and just a swift glance at the chart demiirel posted should assure one of the vast differences. However I think he is trying to establish some kind of connection between Hungarian and Turkish and even more absurdly Hungarian and Mongolian. Go figure...

At first he started speaking about the "big similarities" between Indo-European languages and Mongolian. That was swiftly proved to be false and now he is taking on the next Europeans.

[Blossom]

Turkish and Finnish aren't even remotely related. They share some linguistic similarities (agglutination, vowel harmony, no grammatical gender) absent in Indo-European languages, but not via being etymologically related. That they "sound similar" to some people is a detail that can hardly be presented to justify itself, let alone anything else.

I think Greek sounds similar to Finnish in a way, but that does not make me claim that the two languages are related.

The same thing about Hungarian and Turk lol..

*p.d.: I was sarcastic on the thing about Finnish ofc! In case you didnt notice.

http://www.fsz.bme.hu/hungary/history.html

[Guapo]

you're all turks like us Balkanoids. Deal with it

[demiirel]

I looked at the Finno-Ugric Swadesh list here:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Append...gric_languages

I decided to compare the first 20 words. Look at the results I got:

I: Estonian ‘mina’, Mongolian ‘mi’
Thou (singular): Karelian ‘sie’, Mongolian ‘si’
He: Estonian ‘tema’, Mongolian ‘ter’
We: Estonian ‘meie, me’, Mongolian ‘ba, bid’
You (plural): Finnish ‘te’, Mongolian ‘ta’
They: North Mansi ‘tan’, Mongolian ‘ted, tednus’
This: Hungarian ‘e’, Mongolian ‘en’
That: North Mansi ‘taji’, Mongolian ‘ter’
Here: Hungarian ‘itt’, Mongolian ‘end’
There: North Mansi ‘tot’, Mongolian ‘tend’
Who: Karelian ‘ken’, Mongolian ‘ken’
What: Hungarian ‘mi’ (interrog.), Mongolian ‘bwi’ (interrog.)
Where: Komi ‘koni’, Mongolian ‘kaana’
When: Karelian ‘konza’, Mongolia ‘keze’
How: Finnish ‘kuinka’, Mongolian ‘kerken’
Not: Moksha ‘iz’, Mongolian ‘es’
All: North Sami ‘buot’, Mongolian ‘bugut’
Many: Erzya ‘lamo’, Mongolian ‘olam’; North Sami ‘manga’, Mongolian ‘minga’
Some: Karelian ‘kuda-ket’, Mongolian ‘ked’
Few: Hungarian ‘kevés’, Mongolian ‘koms’; Estonian ‘vähe’, Mongolian ‘baha’