The Hungarian-Turkish Connection

[demiirel]

Wasn't that the name of one of the Bulgar leaders?

It may sound similar to Khan Kubrat of the Bulgars (r. 632-665).

Khorvat means Croatian.

[The Ripper]

It may sound similar to Khan Kubrat of the Bulgars (r. 632-665).

Khorvat means Croatian.

That's interesting, because in Finnish "korvat" means "ears"! Hail Fingolian pride!

[Äike]

That's interesting, because in Finnish "korvat" means "ears"! Hail Fingolian pride!

In Estonian, "kõrvad" means "ears" and "kõrv" means "ear".

[Monolith]

It may sound similar to Khan Kubrat of the Bulgars (r. 632-665).

It does, but it is unknown whether the two are etymologically related.

Khorvat means Croatian.

It was likely an Iranian borrowing into proto-Slavic and now it's an ethnonym.

[demiirel]

In Estonian, "kõrvad" means "ears" and "kõrv" means "ear".

Interesting, "-d" is also a plural suffix in Mongolian. One more similarity with Uralic.

A theory. I think "Croat" could be a Mongolian tribal name. Korvad, Korvat or Horvad means the "Threes" in Mongolian. Korav means three in Mongolian. Korvad means "threes" usually meaning "the Tribe composed of Three Sub-tribes". Many Mongol tribes have number-based names like this (number+plural suffix). For example "Dorbod" (Fours) and "Naiman" (Eight). Ancient Turkish tribes also had number-based tribal names, like "Sekiz-Oghuz" (Eight Oghuz).

Color names are also used for tribal names. For example "Tsagaan Tatar" (White Tatars) and "Kara Khitad" (Black Khitans).

Now we hear that the ancient Croats were called "White Croats" and they migrated to coastal Croatia in 610-641. The Avars also entered Croatia in the early 7th century. The Avars are known to have Mongolic connections, specifically the Rouran Mongols. An Avar Mongol tribe called "Tsagaan Korvat" (White Threes) must have been part of the Avars who entered Croatia. This tribe was probably Slavicised already to some extent.

We must remember that the Avars were a Tengri-worshipping nomadic confederation with Mongolic tribes included in their confederation. These White Croats, being rather small in population, were later assimilated with the local Slavic population. The name remained while the original Avar Mongol people intermarried, got absorbed and adopted the local language, which is a common occurrence in Eastern Europe (for example Tatar was originally a Mongolian tribe).

Turco-Mongol peoples like the Avars and Khazars had great influence in Eastern Europe at that time. And Turco-Mongol words filtered into Slavic vocabulary. Tribal names remained too. The ruler of the Rus Khaganate (early Russian state) was called the Khagan, a Turco-Mongol title.

The Iranian origin theory is still not convincing. So an Avar origin should also be considered.

[Dario Argento]

This thread was made by Angre (a.k.a. Libre) who is still angry because of my signature and because I support Kosova (actually, I've changed my view on this upon reflection, I don't think Kosova should be an independent state but instead should be annexed to Albania) while I was taking a holiday in the mountains in my yacuzzi. Hungarians are not Turks. Hungarian only shares some terms borrowed from Turkish mostly related to animal husbandry. But that's meaningless. We also have some Iranic words and some shit like that. Balkan Slavic languages have Turkic insults too. And if you can find one Hungarian who looks Turk, I'll bet you 5 coins, with the same probability, that you can find 6 Serbs who look Turk "Ottoman".

And anyway, who cares about shifting ethnicity for some minor word similarities, I personally believe in a far back Nostratic theory.

[Dario Argento]

libre(ANGRE), Bir turk vardır, bu onu yüz daha iyi olacaktır. Sırplar bizden daha fazla gibi Türkler (Osmanlılar) bakın. biz orta avrupa bakarsanız, turk bakmak

[demiirel]

Are you really Hungarian?

[Dario Argento]

Are you really Hungarian?

Are you really mongol?

[demiirel]

I am verily a European Mongol. But you? Are you Slavic or Ugric or Romance or what?