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    Something interesting I picked up:


    "The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

    In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

    When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

    The gun is:

    The only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

    There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

    People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a

    civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

    Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

    People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

    The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

    By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

    So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.

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    That is, basically, why I support America's second amendment.

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    Just exactly what is it about ...shall not be infringed that can't be clearly understood?

    I've had to defend myself with the threat of armed force on two separate occassions. And I had to use deadly force with a firearm on one other occassion. If I had not been armed with a firearm, I would have been killed.

    When one is suddenly confronted with a life threatening situation, there is no time to dial 911.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Loddfafner View Post
    That is, basically, why I support America's second amendment.
    And I why I want a similar law based here in the Netherlands.. and in all of the EU. With the provisions that only Europeans (thus citizens of member states minus naturalised non-European migrants) have a right to bear arms and that only convicted criminals will have that right taken away from them.



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    Print this article and give it to your leftist neighbor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwolf View Post
    Print this article and give it to your leftist neighbor...
    No printer and no Dutch neighbours either. But I have send the link to some friends and that will do. And from what I know my neighbour on the left votes VVD. Not particularly left-wing I'd say.



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    No matter who hard you try to explain this to the liberal gun grabbing nut cakes they just don't seem to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticTemplar View Post
    No matter who hard you try to explain this to the liberal gun grabbing nut cakes they just don't seem to understand.
    They're not called libtards for nothing.

    Besides, the gun grabbing community clearly has a subversive agenda. The purveyors of tolerance are the most intolerant haters that ever existed. If these hypocritical libertines succeed in eliminating the Second Amendment, they will be free to enforce their demented touchy-freely ideas without having to worry about encountering armed resistance... And the road to destruction is paved with emotionally charged ideas, which are always a poor substitute for well-researched plans based on logic.

    The First Amendment pertains to freedom of speech. The deadliest weapon ever devised by man is human speech. But I, for one, don't want to abolish it... Although I personally would appreciate it if explicitly obscene speech would be preceded by a required verbal or written warning.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticTemplar View Post
    No matter who hard you try to explain this to the liberal gun grabbing nut cakes they just don't seem to understand.


    A weapon is a tool, an extension of the self.
    We currently operate rather well without waving weapons about in each others faces; all it would really do is turn one form of control (the current socially-based control) into a different type of control (a self-preservation control).
    It's an interesting idea, but in the end, it won't change anything... except how quickly we all die.
    Have you noticed that if you rearrange the letters in ‘illegal immigrants’, and add just a few more letters, it spells, ‘Go home you free-loading, benefit-grabbing, resource-sucking, baby-making, non-English-speaking ********* and take those other hairy-faced, sandal-wearing, bomb-making, camel-riding, goat-f*****g raghead c***s with you.?

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    Eventually freedom of speech will be outlawed, too.

    Once the NWO has full power, we will essentially be living in a 1984-esque type of society. Youtube and forums such as these are basically the only places left where free speech is still permitted. Even still, if you go over the line here, you can still get into legal trouble..

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