Turks rule the world 2200 years as did Central Asian,but why East Asians ruled them thousand years ?

[ButlerKing]

Simply look at history. Wether it's Central Asian tribes were Turkic or Iranian tribes, they ruled the world for 2200 years

Europe, Middle east, Caucasus, South Asia, parts of Africa were ruled by Turks for for 2200 years many times. The Turks could have from Central Asia, Siberia, or West Mongolia

List of Turkic empires
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._and_countries


Even if we are talking about the Centra Asian Iranian ones like the Scythians, Samartians, Alans, Kushans, Wusun they too have ruled from Caucasus to South Asia for thousand years

List of Iranian empires
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._and_countries

And these list are not even including other Central Asian confederations empires such as the Hunnic empire, Eurasian Avars and many others ect


WHAT I DON'T FREAKING UNDERSTAND IS THIS


1) Why isn't there single Iranian or Turkic empire or a Central Asian empire that have ruled China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Tibet

2) Why Manchus, Chinese, Tibetan, Mongol tribes having ruled central Asia tribes Turks and Iranians for a very long time and many times at that ?

Mongols/Manchus conquered Chinese for long time yet I don't see a single Iranian or Turk being able to do the same. The only exception of Turkic ruling the Chinese (not sure if this even counts ) are a pathetic few years of extreme short lived kingdoms and that's through being sinicized and having Han Chinese paternal ancestry.

[Bornoz]

Because they had technology.

[ButlerKing]

Because they had technology.

That don't make sense. All empires historically had technology. Alexander the great were killed and humiliated by Indians.

I mean even trying to find a map of a Turkic empire ruling over East Asian is non-existent. On the hand there are plenty of maps of East Asian empire ruling over central Asians.

[Marmara]

Why is it so important? Turks were fighting with each other. Göktürk Empire was actually very oppressive against other Turkic peoples, and Tang dynasty defeated them with the help of others. Many Turkic peoples who rebelled to Göktürks and defeated by the help of Tang later entered Sinic sphere untill Arab-Chinese war.

[Pahli]

That don't make sense. All empires historically had technology. Alexander the great were killed and humiliated by Indians.

I mean even trying to find a map of a Turkic empire ruling over East Asian is non-existent. On the hand there are plenty of maps of East Asian empire ruling over central Asians.

No, he died in in Mesopotamia, after quitting the Indian campaign, he was otherwise successful against the Indians, and was even planning to invade Arabia too.

[ButlerKing]

Why is it so important? Turks were fighting with each other. Göktürk Empire was actually very oppressive against other Turkic peoples, and Tang dynasty defeated them with the help of others. Many Turkic peoples who rebelled to Göktürks and defeated by the help of Tang later entered Sinic sphere untill Arab-Chinese war.

No you don't get it. I'm simply complaining why is there is so many maps of Turkic empire ruling the world but didn't rule any part of China, Tibet ( never mind Korea, Japan, Taiwan ). There is a map of Turks ruling Mongolia, western Manchuria but even that's nothing compare to these.


Here is my 1 hour of research and collections. I made this thread specifically so that you Turks or central Asians can explain. Why weren't you able to conquer them but allow them to conquer you so many times. I though Turks were unbeatable.


Han dynasty ( Chinese ruling Central Asian Iranian )



Tang dynasty ( Chinese Xianbei ruling Central Asian Iranian and Turks )



Tibetan empire ruling portion of central Asia Iranian and Turks


Western Jin dynasty ( Turkic tribes submitted in inner Mongolia to the Chinese )



Khitans tribe rule Central Asian



State of former Qin ( Turkic tribes submitted in inner Mongolia )



Chinese Kingdoms ruling ruling Turkic tribes and Xinjiang Iranians



Mongol empire ( ruling half of the world )



Zunghar khanates ( Oirats Mongol tribes ruling central Asians )


Manchus ( Qing dynasty conquering Xinjiang and central Asia being tribute states )

[ButlerKing]

No, he died in in Mesopotamia, after quitting the Indian campaign, he was otherwise successful against the Indians, and was even planning to invade Arabia too.

The greeks lost the war against the Indians. Alexander the great were seriously wounded by Indians and never recovered.

Even Turks and Iranians could never conquer India at those times as Alexander the Great couldn't. Greeks were the most powerful that time but even they have to lose.

[Böri]

Brown asses, you know shit. Some years ago Japanese archeologists discovered a Turkic sarcophagus in Eastern Mongolia (east of Ulaan Baatar). Mongolian state tried to hide but Japanese scientists unveiled to the rest of the world.
http://resou.osaka-u.ac.jp/en/research/2017/20171208_1

Mongols wanted to hide it because that sarcophagus (belonging to a Yabgu) proves Turks ruled over Mongols. Mongol tribes paid tribute to the Turkic khagan. Later, Mongols (Genghis) didn’t even use khagan title which belonged to Turkic aristocracy. Gengis was khan (like Ottoman monarchs) which is lower than khagan in hierarchy.

Better said: Iranic farmers never ruled on others and were ruled by Turks, Mongols, Chinese.

[ButlerKing]

Brown asses, you know shit. Some years ago Japanese archeologists discovered a Turkic sarcophagus in Eastern Mongolia (east of Ulaan Baatar). Mongolian state tried to hide but Japanese scientists unveiled to the rest of the world.
http://resou.osaka-u.ac.jp/en/research/2017/20171208_1

Mongols wanted to hide it because that sarcophagus (belonging to a Yabgu) proves Turks ruled over Mongols. Mongol tribes paid tribute to the Turkic khagan. Later, Mongols (Genghis) didn’t even use khagan title which belonged to Turkic aristocracy. Gengis was khan (like Ottoman monarchs) which is lower than khagan in hierarchy.

Better said: Iranic farmers never ruled on others and were ruled by Turks, Mongols, Chinese.

Don't exaggerate, the link doesn't suggest anything to your wild imagination. What does this prove ? You do know many Indian also call themselves Khan and many Indians adopted the name aswell. How hard would it be for a Mongol tribe to adopt the name ? especially when they had culturally influenced eachother a thousand years before the existence of Genghis Khan.

There are many Afghan and Indian leaders who called themselves Khan so this doesn't prove anything.



I HAVEN'T EVEN POSTED ALL THE EMPIRES.



Chinese, Tibetan even sold Turks as slaves and there's record of " Turkic states that submitted to the Chinese " to many Chinese dynasties after the Turks losing. But Chinese are a people who were also conquered a lot but I they did pretty well against turks.

Tibetan empire rule on central Asians were short though about only 50 years

[Yaglakar]

Both your statements in the title are wrong.

1. You are posting maps of brief expansions or territories which are actually protectorates not depicted in these amateur maps.
2. How the hell do you expect Turkic horse empires to appear in Taiwan and Japan.
3. Chinese dynasties first and foremost were seen as sources of wealth and trade, and at times when Turks were strong enough they would extract tribute as well. They understood that any conquest of China proper would entail subsequent sinification so they opted for the control of trade routes that exited China instead.
5. Tibet is mountainous away from trades routes (Silk Road).