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    Discussing about communism in another thread made me want to start this thread. I think it's ignorant to classify communism as just communism when in reality there were many forms of communism with some good and bad. For instance, many look on Yugoslav Socialism (Titoism) as the best form of Communism compared to Stalinist communism or Maoism. There's also liberal communism such as Cuban communism.

    Many view communism as a bad thing because it is viewed as the government's attempt to socially engineer the people living in said country or being recognized as the ultimate form of oppression. While this is true in some or all countries (even Yugoslavia participated in social engineering with the recognition of Slavic Macedonians as a separate ethnic group apart of Serbs and Bulgarians out of an attempt to annex Macedonia proper which ironically would have identified as Serb instead since the last 60 years of strong Yugoslav independence and control would have finally properly Serbianized the region or Bulgarized had the Axis won). But not all Communist countries oppressed their people or tried to socially engineer them.


    I think there are different forms of communism that can be classified into three branches of communism one of them being the most extreme, the most moderate and the most liberal and free.


    Heavy-handed Communism:
    Means the said forms of communism have participated heavily in social engineering and/or repressed the people heavily

    North Korean communism

    Stalinist communism (USSR, Romania, Bulgaria, etc)
    Maoism (China and also Vietnam?)


    Moderate Communism:
    Means the said forms of communism have had a doctrine of social engineering and/or do participate in some form of repression.

    Titoism (Yugoslav Socialism) Yugoslav Socialism was considered to be the most liberal form of communism provided you stayed in line (such as disavowing (or not just participate in it at all) the support of ethnic nationalism) you could travel anywhere you wanted to go, work anywhere too, hell, even immigrate to another country and become citizens. This was essentially non-existent in every other Communist country.


    Liberal Communism:
    The most liberal form of communism meaning the said form of communism doesn't really have a doctrine of social engineering or repression of its people.

    Cuban Communism

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    I'm unsure why you seem to have made such a big deal of this. On the other thread you acted as if Americans could never know what Communism was like, as if one had to be in the USSR in 1922 to know its criminal code decriminalized all sexual offenses, including sodomy and prostitution, as well as allowing for divorce on demand. I didn't see anyone mention Tito or Castro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    I'm unsure why you seem to have made such a big deal of this. On the other thread you acted as if Americans could never know what Communism was like, as if one had to be in the USSR in 1922 to know its criminal code decriminalized all sexual offenses, including sodomy and prostitution, as well as allowing for divorce on demand. I didn't see anyone mention Tito or Castro.
    Just noticed that the posters were failing to make the distinction
    as if one had to be in the USSR in 1922 to know its criminal code decriminalized all sexual offenses, including sodomy and prostitution, as well as allowing for divorce on demand.
    That's not liberalism per se but rather social engineering.

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    In any case, I think yours is a rather useless enterprise my Serbian amigo. Your example of 'liberal Communism', Cuba, is one of the most repressive societies on earth, though I suppose compared to Pol Pot Fidel has been quite 'liberal', yes.

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    Your terminology is wrong, to begin with. Communism per definition is a classless society something that has yet to be seen on this planet. What you're talking about is Socialism, the 'Dictatorship of the Proletariat' through the Marxist-Leninist Vanguard Party. Socialism, as opposed to Communism acknowledges that classes, and therefore class struggle, continues even though the ruling has been ousted from power. Ultimately, according to Leninist theory, the state withers away and Socialism transforms into Communism. I suggest you read Lenin's 'State and Revolution' if you want to learn more.

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    I'm unsure why you seem to have made such a big deal of this. On the other thread you acted as if Americans could never know what Communism was like, as if one had to be in the USSR in 1922 to know its criminal code decriminalized all sexual offenses, including sodomy and prostitution, as well as allowing for divorce on demand. I didn't see anyone mention Tito or Castro.
    In any case, I think yours is a rather useless enterprise my Serbian amigo. Your example of 'liberal Communism', Cuba, is one of the most repressive societies on earth, though I suppose compared to Pol Pot Fidel has been quite 'liberal', yes.
    You're contradicting yourself. It's quite funny actually, libertarians cheerleading stateless anarcho capitalism and individual freedom but at the same time calling for the state to approve what or how to fuck. Does it get any more hypocritical?

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    Why re-invent the wheel, Libre? Wiki isn't perfect, but their article on communism features a pretty good rundown of the different flavors it comes in. If people weren't the way they are, communism might actually work. Unfortunately, people are the way they are.

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    Sven, perhaps you'd care to enlighten me more about these anarcho-capitalist views I apparently hold.

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    McCarthy is more at Westernist (some call this 'Neoconservative') than 'anarcho-capitalist'. See anti-freedomtarian signature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrester View Post
    McCarthy is more at Westernist (some call this 'Neoconservative') than 'anarcho-capitalist'. See anti-freedomtarian signature.
    Much closer, though see here.

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