Hungarians are NOT Finno-Ugrics. They just adopted a Ugric/Uralic language.

[Beauvais]

Most Hungarians are Slavic/Indo-Iranians (Indo-European) in ancestry; and are NOT Finno-Ugric. Finno-Ugric and Turkic ancestry is in the Hungarian population; but not all Hungarians have this Mongoloid ancestry. And DNA evidence shows that intermixture with the Ugrics and Turkic tribes; was actually pretty small.

Most of the Hungarian ancestry is West Slavic/Indo-Iranian. (Sarmatae): Similar to their Polish and Czechoslovakian neighbors.

The reason Hungarians speak a Mongoloid/East Asian tongue/substratum language; is because a few nomads/horseriders from the Ural-Altaic/Siberia area of Russia migrated to the Carpathian Mountains and helped a few Western Slavs and Indo-Iranians to conquer and keep control of the Carpathian Basin, and to protect the land from the growing and invading Frankish Empire, to the West. (France) These tribes of Mongoloid horse-riders helped to fight with Western Slavic and Indo-Iranian tribes; and to hold off the Franks. (who had threatened their land, privileges and resources) These Indo-Europeans (Caucasoid/Europids) later only adopted the Uralo-Turkic language Hungarian; out of respect/honour for these "noble" East Asian "Ugric nomads".

>>> (This is why the Uralic haplogroup N1c is widely missing in the Hungarian population; and R1a predominates; but there are also lots of other Y-DNA haplogroups; etc.)

It should also be noted that Hungarians also have a very tiny admixture of Celtic and Roman (Italic). (prior to Slavic invasion and forced assimilation; by the Slavs.) and also a bit of Germanic contribution. (later due to mostly Austrian intermarriage.)

Hungary is/was basically the crossroads of Eastern/Central Europe during the Middle Ages. Just like France and Italy. This is why they are a little more heterogeneous. Just like the French and Italians. (mixed with lots of tribes/peoples, etc.) While the Western Slavic and Southern Slavic (as well as Albanians) tend to be a little more "homogeneous". etc

Slovenes likewise have almost the same genetic ancestry as the Hungarians as well. (mostly Slavic; but with smaller amounts of Germanic/Celtic/Italic admixture; respectively.)

(Hence, the confusion that Hungarians speak an East Asian / Mongoloid tongue. But they are really (mostly) Slavo-Iranians; in ancestry. Although, in terms of phenotype: you will occasionally come across a few Hungarians with noticeably Asiatic / Turanid features in their face/skull shape. i.e. Slightly slanted eyebrows, snub nose- Very straight hair. etc)


The Yassic language; which is related to Ossetian and went extinct in the 15th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jassic_dialect

***More proof of the above claims will be posted shortly.

[Beauvais]

Basically, one question I would like to ask you all (especially Hungarians): Would you rather Hungarians speak an Indo-European language (like Slavic) or would it be more appropriate for them to continue speaking a Mongoloid / East Asian language? (would today's Hungarians actually find speaking a Mongoloid tongue degrading? Or is it actually seen as an noble celebration of an ancient heritage/tradition?)

In the future; would it be preferable if Hungarians dropped their language and adopted a Slavic (or Indo-European) one? (Especially if they built an Empire with the Polish?)

The Mongoloid admixture in the Hungarians was actually quite rare. (last time I checked, Mongol genetics were actually really low. Perhaps about 5% or less, in the average Hungarian population. That's approximately 1 out of 50 Hungarians that have Mongoloid ancestry. Disclaimer: But this is an apparent statistic; and only a guess.)

Basically: Do Hungarians feel bothered by the fact that their tongue is Mongoloid (non-IE) in origin?

[Beauvais]

Just a side note about genetics: Haplogroups DO NOT reflect current ethnicity.


If a Hungarian, Irish or a Polish man; for example, possesses an unusual haplogroup that isn't common; like E1b1b or G2a; this does not mean that they are mixed-race and not European. (or have "Negroid" ancestry; etcetera. Major misunderstanding.) This only means that these men descend from a very ancient Caucasoid/European paternal ancestor; long before Indo-European (mostly R1b and R1a) invasion. The E1b1b or G2a men likely were only forced to assimilate; for example.)


(The rest of their genome could be extremely Slavic or Celtic, for example. Y-DNA Haplogroup is only one gene and is only 0.4% of a male autosomal genome. The reason Basques carry R1b but tend to show no evidence of IE or Steppe ancestry; does not mean that Basques are not mixed with Indo-Europeans, either. It just means that Basques lost most of their Indo-European ancestry; so the Steppe or Indo-European contribution is almost invisible. And the Mesolithic/Neolithic ancestry is more abundant.)

Basques and Sardinians show very similar DNA patterns. (they tend to have the lowest Indo-European admixture. But this does not mean that they do not have IE ancestry.)

I share only a 4 to 6% distance from modern French people.

So I am about 94-96% (genetically distant) from a modern Frenchman. (This is probably due to 3-4 centuries of Cajun homogeneity; and Genetic drift/isolation from France. And more archaic French genes.)

I am a Cajun and genetics tests show that I am usually only 20% distant from Basque people in terms of autosomal admixture. (or sharing about 80% genetics with the Basques. Compared to the Udmurts of Russia; whom I only share 13% genetics with. (An 87% genetic distance.) It's only common sense that as a Cajun I would share similar genetics with Western Europeans; more than Eastern Europeans. Likewise.)

[oszkar07]

Basically, one question I would like to ask you all (especially Hungarians): Would you rather Hungarians speak an Indo-European language (like Slavic) or would it be more appropriate for them to continue speaking a Mongoloid / East Asian language? (would today's Hungarians actually find speaking a Mongoloid tongue degrading? Or is it actually seen as an noble celebration of an ancient heritage/tradition?)

In the future; would it be preferable if Hungarians dropped their language and adopted a Slavic (or Indo-European) one? (Especially if they built an Empire with the Polish?)

The Mongoloid admixture in the Hungarians was actually quite rare. (last time I checked, Mongol genetics were actually really low. Perhaps about 5% or less, in the average Hungarian population. That's approximately 1 out of 50 Hungarians that have Mongoloid ancestry. Disclaimer: But this is an apparent statistic; and only a guess.)

Basically: Do Hungarians feel bothered by the fact that their tongue is Mongoloid (non-IE) in origin?

I think you are using the term "Mongoloid" , very loosely.
Im not aware of any serious linguists that would classify Hungarian as "Mongoloid".
Actually Hungarian by itself is an extremly unique language.

Im not sure if that question about preferred language is a troll question or serious question, but for a serious answer , no Hungarians would not be prepared to exchange their language for a Slavic or any other language.
The Hungarian langauge is a major factor of the Hungarian identity.
Changing the language would mean extinguishing Hungarian identity ...why would Hungarians wish to do that.
Do you have shame about speaking English even if you had many ancestors that didnt speak it.
It doesnt matter if you now make an argument saying "its ok because English is Indo european and the language of your ancestors was Indoeuropean", still 2 different language.
Language and identity are very linked, not just language family but specific langugae, Serbs and Croats dont identify with each other too much just because they have same language family...it didnt save them from history of mutual enmity.

Hungarian is neither African or Mongoloid , in fact we only can find majority Hungarian speakers in Europe with the exception of those that migrated elsewhere.

[Stears]

Most Hungarians are Slavic/Indo-Iranians (Indo-European) in ancestry; and are NOT Finno-Ugric. Finno-Ugric and Turkic ancestry is in the Hungarian population; but not all Hungarians have this Mongoloid ancestry. And DNA evidence shows that intermixture with the Ugrics and Turkic tribes; was actually pretty small.

Most of the Hungarian ancestry is West Slavic/Indo-Iranian. (Sarmatae): Similar to their Polish and Czechoslovakian neighbors.

The reason Hungarians speak a Mongoloid/East Asian tongue/substratum language; is because a few nomads/horseriders from the Ural-Altaic/Siberia area of Russia migrated to the Carpathian Mountains and helped a few Western Slavs and Indo-Iranians to conquer and keep control of the Carpathian Basin, and to protect the land from the growing and invading Frankish Empire, to the West. (France) These tribes of Mongoloid horse-riders helped to fight with Western Slavic and Indo-Iranian tribes; and to hold off the Franks. (who had threatened their land, privileges and resources) These Indo-Europeans (Caucasoid/Europids) later only adopted the Uralo-Turkic language Hungarian; out of respect/honour for these "noble" East Asian "Ugric nomads".

>>> (This is why the Uralic haplogroup N1c is widely missing in the Hungarian population; and R1a predominates; but there are also lots of other Y-DNA haplogroups; etc.)

It should also be noted that Hungarians also have a very tiny admixture of Celtic and Roman (Italic). (prior to Slavic invasion and forced assimilation; by the Slavs.) and also a bit of Germanic contribution. (later due to mostly Austrian intermarriage.)

Hungary is/was basically the crossroads of Eastern/Central Europe during the Middle Ages. Just like France and Italy. This is why they are a little more heterogeneous. Just like the French and Italians. (mixed with lots of tribes/peoples, etc.) While the Western Slavic and Southern Slavic (as well as Albanians) tend to be a little more "homogeneous". etc

Slovenes likewise have almost the same genetic ancestry as the Hungarians as well. (mostly Slavic; but with smaller amounts of Germanic/Celtic/Italic admixture; respectively.)

(Hence, the confusion that Hungarians speak an East Asian / Mongoloid tongue. But they are really (mostly) Slavo-Iranians; in ancestry. Although, in terms of phenotype: you will occasionally come across a few Hungarians with noticeably Asiatic / Turanid features in their face/skull shape. i.e. Slightly slanted eyebrows, snub nose- Very straight hair. etc)


The Yassic language; which is related to Ossetian and went extinct in the 15th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jassic_dialect

***More proof of the above claims will be posted shortly.

About the Finno-Ugric and IE language groups.


Just some Hard-facts: Finno-Ugric language group was born in N-Eastern Europe (in the Elbe- Baltic Sea - URal region), until the roots of ancient IE language groups go back to Asian continent (Anatolia). In the Eurasian supercontinent, there are more native speakers of IE languages in the ASIAN continent than in Europen continent. (Just remember the large IE speaking populations of India Pakistan Iran)
However, the 97% of Finno-ugric speaking people live in Europe. Therefore to call Finno-ugric languages as "Asian languages" is laughable illogical, unscientific and misleading.


TYPE IN ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA:"Proto Indo Europeans"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans


and see the maps about original ancient IE people!France Britain Italy haven't significant proto indo-European genes.The Germanic people have also very very low ratio of ancient IE haplogroup markers (R1a),only Eastern Europeans have high ratio of original proto IE haplogroups markers in Europe. Western European languages belongs to IE language group,but in very very distant way.(Have you ever heard about language-shift? The IE linguistic effect spreaded as a lingua franca and as a „dealer language” between many many populations during thousands of years) The real genetic IE people equal with the Eastern European people ( Indians and Iranians in the Asian continent.) Therefore being real descendants of Indo Europeans represent lower culture, technology & lower scientific and economic development in the European continent.


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Hungarian and other Finno - Ugric Languages are part of the Uralid linguistic group, which are not related to Turkic languages.

[Stears]

I think you are using the term "Mongoloid" , very loosely.
Im not aware of any serious linguists that would classify Hungarian as "Mongoloid".
Actually Hungarian by itself is an extremly unique language.

Im not sure if that question about preferred language is a troll question or serious question, but for a serious answer , no Hungarians would not be prepared to exchange their language for a Slavic or any other language.
The Hungarian langauge is a major factor of the Hungarian identity.
Changing the language would mean extinguishing Hungarian identity ...why would Hungarians wish to do that.
Do you have shame about speaking English even if you had many ancestors that didnt speak it.
It doesnt matter if you now make an argument saying "its ok because English is Indo european and the language of your ancestors was Indoeuropean", still 2 different language.
Language and identity are very linked, not just language family but specific langugae, Serbs and Croats dont identify with each other too much just because they have same language family...it didnt save them from history of mutual enmity.

Hungarian is neither African or Mongoloid , in fact we only can find majority Hungarian speakers in Europe with the exception of those that migrated elsewhere.

And don't forget, if Western Europeans would be the direct descendant of real proto-IE people, they wouldn't be real European looking White people, because the original proto-IE people did not have any European genetic heritage and light pigmentation.

[Stears]

Just a side note about genetics: Haplogroups DO NOT reflect current ethnicity.


If a Hungarian, Irish or a Polish man; for example, possesses an unusual haplogroup that isn't common; like E1b1b or G2a; this does not mean that they are mixed-race and not European. (or have "Negroid" ancestry; etcetera. Major misunderstanding.) This only means that these men descend from a very ancient Caucasoid/European paternal ancestor; long before Indo-European (mostly R1b and R1a) invasion. The E1b1b or G2a men likely were only forced to assimilate; for example.)


(The rest of their genome could be extremely Slavic or Celtic, for example. Y-DNA Haplogroup is only one gene and is only 0.4% of a male autosomal genome. The reason Basques carry R1b but tend to show no evidence of IE or Steppe ancestry; does not mean that Basques are not mixed with Indo-Europeans, either. It just means that Basques lost most of their Indo-European ancestry; so the Steppe or Indo-European contribution is almost invisible. And the Mesolithic/Neolithic ancestry is more abundant.)

Basques and Sardinians show very similar DNA patterns. (they tend to have the lowest Indo-European admixture. But this does not mean that they do not have IE ancestry.)

I share only a 4 to 6% distance from modern French people.

So I am about 94-96% (genetically distant) from a modern Frenchman. (This is probably due to 3-4 centuries of Cajun homogeneity; and Genetic drift/isolation from France. And more archaic French genes.)

I am a Cajun and genetics tests show that I am usually only 20% distant from Basque people in terms of autosomal admixture. (or sharing about 80% genetics with the Basques. Compared to the Udmurts of Russia; whom I only share 13% genetics with. (An 87% genetic distance.) It's only common sense that as a Cajun I would share similar genetics with Western Europeans; more than Eastern Europeans. Likewise.)

Haplogroup E1B1 and Haplogroup G are more frequent among native French population than among Hungarians. Read about it: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/europ...logroups.shtml

The closes historic cousins (And ancestors) of Jassic people were the Alans. Since Alans don't exist anymore, the Ossetians are their closest surviving relatives. Alans migrated to Ile de France (Paris and surroundings) in the 4th century, and to southern France. (Their descendants are still there, just they speak French)

[Beauvais]

I think you are using the term "Mongoloid" , very loosely.
Im not aware of any serious linguists that would classify Hungarian as "Mongoloid".
Actually Hungarian by itself is an extremly unique language.

Im not sure if that question about preferred language is a troll question or serious question, but for a serious answer , no Hungarians would not be prepared to exchange their language for a Slavic or any other language.
The Hungarian langauge is a major factor of the Hungarian identity.
Changing the language would mean extinguishing Hungarian identity ...why would Hungarians wish to do that.
Do you have shame about speaking English even if you had many ancestors that didnt speak it.
It doesnt matter if you now make an argument saying "its ok because English is Indo european and the language of your ancestors was Indoeuropean", still 2 different language.
Language and identity are very linked, not just language family but specific langugae, Serbs and Croats dont identify with each other too much just because they have same language family...it didnt save them from history of mutual enmity.

Hungarian is neither African or Mongoloid , in fact we only can find majority Hungarian speakers in Europe with the exception of those that migrated elsewhere.

I actually do not like speaking English; but it is a very simple and to-the-point language.

[Beauvais]

And don't forget, if Western Europeans would be the direct descendant of real proto-IE people, they wouldn't be real European looking White people, because the original proto-IE people did not have any European genetic heritage and light pigmentation.

No. The La Brana and Louschbour man is just BBC propaganda, put forward by Jews. Leave the mainstream theories out of it.

[Dandelion]

"They speak an Uralic substratum language"

That makes no sense. Does the author know what substratum means?