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    RIVAROL: Tomislav Sunic, born in 1953 in Zagreb, you have professed from 1989 to 1993 in various American universities where you taught political philosophy and policy of the communist countries before joining the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Croatia under the presidency of Franjo Tudjman. Polyglot, you published numerous articles texts (which can be found on the websites http://www.tomsunic.info; doctorsunic.netfirms.com) in Croatian, English, German and French, in our journal writings, including Paris and you know enough about the French political scene for citing prominent authors of our players such as Pierre Vial, Hervé Ryssen or Robert Faurisson. You publish Croatia today: a country defaults? (1), whose only title to be a provocation to the Croatian nationalists who gladly trace their state in the tenth century. Would you say what you mean by identity “default” or “proxy” and also tell us how the book has been received in your homeland?

    T. Sunic: It was beautiful, once the first national ecstasy complete, praising the decisionism in politics, the fact remains that all policy decisions, a priori valid, will inevitably be modified by subsequent circumstances. And can we not be unsuccessful in Wonderland but to disillusionment or even national disaster. Croatia is now a default country since before 1990, very few Croats believed in the possibility of an independent state. Moreover, from the standpoint of international law, the independence was not feasible, and does not seem possible. Moreover, the West was for 45 years against any form of Croatian secessionism and balked at any idea of the dissolution of Yugoslavia – for geopolitical reasons that go back to Versailles and Potsdam. Even the founding father of the new Croatia, the former president, former communist, former Tito, a former anti-revisionist historian now, Franjo Tudjman in 1990 did not envisage the creation of an independent country. It was Serbia and the Yugoslav army in Croatia which propelled the globe. Given the scattered nature of the Serbs in the Balkans, their legitimate fear of facing the confédéralisation Yugoslavia and the growing population of Kosovo Albanians, Serbs Jacobin nationalism was soon to unleash a surge of Croatian nationalism – leading, following and by default, the birth of the new Croatia. In this regard, we must refer your readers to the important little book by the philosopher Alain de Benoist, We and the Other, where he dissects the suicidal nature of the small European nationalism. Although considered a joke, it is a sad truth that is still circulating in Zagreb: “We should erect a monument to Milosevic because he helped to found the new Croatia. “Can one be a” good “without being anti-Serb nationalist Croatian? Unfortunately, at present, I think not.

    R. : Item just giving food for controversy: on your understanding for the “bad Serbs” which you emphasize the morphological and linguistic kinship (which reject many of your compatriots) with the Croats. Do you agree these “monsters”, the quotes are from you, victims of the terrible turmoil of the post-Tito Yugoslavia, worst bloodshed ever known in Europe since the Second World War?

    TS: Contrary to what we hear, most people are more similar than they are jealous and hate. Although strong proponent of sociobiology, I think there is still work to do in terms of etiology of civil wars. We have seen an intra-white butcher at the European civil war from 1914 to 1945. While the Judeo-Christian monotheism, with its ancient impact was the main engine of the carnage among white people. But outside of our national myths inconsistent, it remains to decipher why wars within Europe are so deadly. Among Croats and Serbs, the dispute about their difference borders on the grotesque. In view of these two peoples, each appears as a transvestite in relation to the Other. Serbs and Croats certainly did not need an interpreter to understand. Moreover, it would be difficult to distinguish a Croatian phenotype is different from that of the Serbs. Certainly, there are Croats great culture that will make you exegeses on haplotypes Croatian or you speak learnedly of the difference between the words and Croatian Serbs. Still, Serbs and Croats are two old European nations that will soon face a far more serious biological threat that their recent conflict.

    Tito Although most criminal Mladic and Karadzic

    R. : In your book you emphasize different components of ethnocentrism former Yugoslavia who are obsessed about the hardships suffered by concealing such martyrdom concomitant of “ethnic Germans” of the Banat and Vojvodina or you insist on a dual responsibility: Communists and that “dictatorships thalassocratic” Anglo-Saxon world and Israel, who also falsified history for their own benefit. Can you clarify?

    TS Your question refers to the current judicial farce International Criminal Court in The Hague, where the alleged Serbian war criminals are tried and Croatian. But the recent crimes of war have a history far more serious. The Serb indictees Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic are only small disciples of great criminal communist Josip Broz Tito, whose crimes in 1945 were never tried or convicted. It is not known in France half a million ethnic Germans suffered from 1945 to 1950, a massive ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia, Tito. Karadzic, Mladic and so on, have simply applied the principles that were in force among the Western Allies and Tito.

    An organized demonization

    I find it particularly rough as Croatian travel agencies and French, or French television show of the beautiful images Croatia subtitled “a small country for a great holiday. In reality, although Croatia is certainly a beautiful part of Europe is a country where every stone breathes death, Croatia is the largest cemetery in Europe. The massacre of hundreds of thousands of Croatian soldiers and civilians – the so-called “Bleiburg” [Ed. See article by Christopher Dolbeau in the May 2010 Ecrits Paris] after the name of a small village in Austria in the south – has deeply shocked the Croatian people. Worse, the Croatian gene pool has been completely exhausted – so that one can not understand the events of 1991 to the present, without considering beforehand the names of communist killing fields. Moreover, the former darling Western, the very liberal Eduard Benes, has he not shown the right path for future Balkan cleanser, expelling 3.2 million Sudeten Germans en1945, under decrees that are still in force in the Czech Republic? Those who bear responsibility for the recent Balkan war are neither Serbs nor the Croats but their respective Communists, backed by Western liberal circles and by some divine Left. In turn, these have all demonized the Serbs and Croats – while ignoring their own genocidal past during and after the Second World War.

    The immediate cause of the deadly war between Serbs and Croats is to be found in books and about Tudjman fire just before the breakup of Yugoslavia. He had, indeed, dared to touch the stories Communists and the Serbian Victimology in dropping the magic number and official Serbs killed during the Second World War by the Croatian Ustasha from 600,000 to 60,000 or even 6000! About these revisionists have subsequently caused by panic among the peasants Croatian Serb with consequences we know.

    Multiracialism, interracial hate factor

    R. You also insist on racial homogeneity, unique in Europe and you’re very attached, former Eastern European countries including Croatia. Do you think that uniformity is threatened by the desire for membership of your country in all the workings of the “international community” to the extent that the historical identity of Croatia is fragile?

    TS Today, the term “race” is frowned upon in the West – except when it comes to real race riots like those that recently took place in Grenoble or Los Angeles. While I use the term race in a sense Volver, referring to “race mind”, knowing full well what race belonged to women sculpted by Phidias, or those that Courbet painted. Grace-fisted communist Croatia, like all the countries of Eastern Europe, today is more European than France or Germany. Multiracialism, hiding behind the hypocritical euphemism of “multiculturalism”, leads to civil war and inter-racial hatred. Serbs and Croats, still immersed in their victimology conflict, still unaware that Western Europe has long since crossed the course of the Camp of the Saints and that we Europeans, we are all threatened by a death race and culture.

    The EU, hyperreal layer of the USSR

    R. : For the former Soviet dissident Bukovsky, the European Union is also totalitarian in nature as was the defunct USSR and as fatal in its determination to bind the people in the same administrative straitjacket, especially economic and ideological order to deprive them of any specificity and to make a flock submitted. Do you agree with this analysis?

    TS The European Union, the hyperreal layer of the former Soviet reality – if I can borrow some words from Jean Baudrillard. All these exotic wordplay such as “multiculturalism”, “sectarianism”, “diversity”, which led to a bloody debacle in the former Yugoslavia are again in vogue in Brussels. Charles V or the Savoy Prince Eugene had a vision of a united Europe is more real than all the bureaucrats in Brussels uncultivated. A glance at the ugly faces of this sub-caste European language his mannerisms, his platitudes expressed in bad French, or “broken English,” I think the old homo sovieticus postmodern and its Double.

    R. : Is that why you are so critical of the Croatian political establishment now that you describe as a bunch of former communist apparatchiks and corrupt opportunist?

    T. S. Certainly. They are, without exception, former Yugoslav communist apparatchiks and their offspring that are recycled in the blink of an eye brave apostles of Occidentalism and capitalism. At that time Tito, they made the obligatory pilgrimage to Belgrade to Moscow and Havana. Today, like the old sixty-eighters French, they piously go to Washington to Brussels – and of course in Tel Aviv, even if only to obtain a certificate of “politically correct”.

    R. : During the match for third place in the 1998 World Cup, I was surprised to hear consumer abuse Serbian Croats (who eventually won), because … they did not mark enough goals against the Netherlands Netherlands! And last July, correspondent in Belgrade Liberation evoked closer cultural links between economic and especially Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia. This tightening is it found? And, if so, it reflects a certain disenchantment with Uncle Sam and Big Sister Europe whose countries of Eastern waited so much?

    TS Given the recruitment of French footballers in the Jebel Maghreb or in the Senegalese Sahel, it is no wonder that athletes are better Serb and Croat true European. Like it or not, it is clear that today’s sport remains the one area where we can freely express their racial identity and national consciousness. As for américanolâtrie and américanosphère, which convey a certain inferiority complex among all Eastern Europeans including Croats – this mimicry will remain strong as long as France and Germany do not wake up a common block and move to Europe.

    R. What future do you hope reasonably for Croatia and its neighbors?

    TS Same as for France, Serbia, Germany and any other European people: total rejection of capitalism, complete rejection of multiculturalism, and awareness of our cultural and biological roots of Europe!
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    Pure crap. If history has thought us anything, is that Serbs and Croats can not live with each other, only next to each other. Lesson learnt, hopefully. We might be genealogically close, but we belong to different cultures and backgrounds. That is the main reason why panslavism was such a disaster (including yugoslavism), there are only Eastern and Western Slavs, this also applies to South Slavs, which is only geographical term. Serbs are Eastern Slavs who share the similar vision with other Eastern Slavs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Марко Краљевић View Post
    Serbs are Eastern Slavs who share the similar vision with other Eastern Slavs.
    How do you define "Eastern Slav"?
    НЕФТОХИМИК - ТОВА Е БУРГАС!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanasyuvigi View Post
    How do you define "Eastern Slav"?
    Orthodox Christianity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Марко Краљевић View Post
    Pure crap. If history has thought us anything, is that Serbs and Croats can not live with each other, only next to each other. Lesson learnt, hopefully. We might be genealogically close, but we belong to different cultures and backgrounds. That is the main reason why panslavism was such a disaster (including yugoslavism), there are only Eastern and Western Slavs, this also applies to South Slavs, which is only geographical term. Serbs are Eastern Slavs who share the similar vision with other Eastern Slavs.
    If you'd put aside the religious thing you'd have less trouble. Serbs and Croats weren't slaughtering each other before Yugoslavia came into existence and then fell apart, and they had lived side by side before that. There's no real ethnic difference between them, and in reality you all speak the same language, even if you use different alphabets. The only thing separating the two is Orthodoxy and Catholicism.

    Ok now I've poked the rattlesnake, let's see what happens...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wagnerian View Post
    Ok now I've poked the rattlesnake, let's see what happens...
    No, you're just beating a dead horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wagnerian View Post
    There's no real ethnic difference between them, and in reality you all speak the same language, even if you use different alphabets. The only thing separating the two is Orthodoxy and Catholicism.

    Ok now I've poked the rattlesnake, let's see what happens...
    Agree 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wagnerian View Post
    If you'd put aside the religious thing you'd have less trouble. Serbs and Croats weren't slaughtering each other before Yugoslavia came into existence and then fell apart, and they had lived side by side before that. There's no real ethnic difference between them, and in reality you all speak the same language, even if you use different alphabets. The only thing separating the two is Orthodoxy and Catholicism.

    Ok now I've poked the rattlesnake, let's see what happens...
    The "offside" between Serbs and Croats goes much deeper into past than mere Yugoslavia times, as the matter of the fact it goes back to 17th century, when Serbs settled depopulated parts of then Hungary which was itself part of Austrian Empire in that time on the border with Turks. Vienna's court in order to protect its newly gained lands from Turkish incursions needed buffer zone and people in it. Therefore, in military frontier Serbs were given autonomy and rights to their own land in exchange for military service against Turks, and were only responsible to government in Vienna. In the same time Croats were generally serfs obliged to work on the lands of different landlords. And serfdom in Austria was abolished in mid 19th century.

    Croat joined Yugoslavia only as intermediate step towards their own state. Plus they needed Serbian army to protect their interests in Dalmatia, more accurately eastern Adriatic coast which was promised to Italy for entering WW1 on the side of Entente for which Italians indeed had right since it was part of Venice for centuries.

    So in the end it isn't merely religious thing, as it is more cultural thing. I am not advocating hatred, just stating the simple empirical truth that Serbs and Croats can't do together. Expecting different outcome from the same premises is the definition of lunacy. Hopefully we learnt that lesson.

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    I've read a couple of Sunic's books, including Homo Americanus, where he basically blames America's Puritan legacy for the US being a 'threat' to Europe. It's not altogether different from the kind of stuff we see on boards like this, though unlike most neo-Nazi types, Sunic is literate, and I must say I share his admiration for Vilfredo Pareto.

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