Intermarium might still save the world

[Peterski]

[gıulıoımpa]

Just curious. since (as i've been told) Polish people can understand Czechs and Slovaks would you favour a Union between those states? as a full sovereign state

[Ülev]

On the very beginning there was a good patronage - Xi & his PRC ---> https://www.straitstimes.com/world/e...silk-road-plan
but then suddenly Donald came to game ---> http://hungarianspectrum.org/2017/06...-donald-trump/

and because you wrote ---> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-s-fake-friend

I have better idea ---> MittelEuropa

[Dandelion]

A full-blown union. No. That could never work. Polish Empire building is an autistic pipe dream with no reality to the real world. An alliance of course could.

[Bosniensis]

National Identities as we know today will cease to exist in next 20-50 years.

[Ülev]

A full-blown union. No. That could never work. Polish Empire building is an autistic pipe dream with no reality to the real world. An alliance of course could.

that's the mentality of majority here, fight and rule more than a high(er) standard of living, East Block - bad, EU - bad, US - bad, Greater Poland - good, the same like with Russia

[Dragoon]

Mixed feelings on this stuff.

First which Intermarium idea would it be? There were several.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium
A Union is unlikely and people may not like it. So alternative is alliance.

or this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Seas_Initiative
(afaik the Intermarium or ThreeSeas would involve US dependency-Stratfor-Friedman stuff...please no neocons)

or

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centra...ce_Cooperation
with Poland... (likely requiring to leave NATO because Austria is neutral)

or

some form of Visegrad expansion...
http://visegradplus.org/countries/

?



My opinion:
There should be no dominance of one single country, but I would prefer a somewhat not so liberal but democratic neutral take on EU/Russia/US/NATO/China with own policies.

Polish views:

Security of Poland would be best to remain neutral than side with NATO or Russia.

10% strongly yes
43% somewhat
22% not realy
6% no

(given choice Poles prefer NATO between yes or no. but offer a third options and it changes to above).

[Ülev]

this is potentially better but two (or one and a half) enemies of EU crossed to Syria unfortunately
(Vladimir and Donald may turn to be good friends)



Union for the Mediterranean

to not allow EU use oil and gas resources in the Middle East and North Africa (Libya case)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_..._Mediterranean

and now they play to divide EU even more, all those V4 and Intermariums

[Ülev]

^^

The Atlantropa proposal to dam the Strait of Gibraltar. Every description of the idea starts with the appeal of a tremendous electric power source. As demonstrated by the Lago Mare event, the Mediterranean operates as a net water sink, due to low rainfall and high insolation. Water flowing through the Strait of Gibraltar (and the Bosporus, Nile, etc.) are required in order to prevent the sea level from falling rapidly. The strait of Gibraltar is only 14 kilometers across at its narrowest point, and about 300 meters deep on average.



and let me reminds you that the US and Russia have already mixed nations, but plays about dangerous with that case in United Europe

[Dragoon]

The point of Neocons and NATO:

The first NATO Secretary General, Lord Ismay, stated the organization's goal was "to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down".

"Today; NATO's purpose is to keep the Americans in charge, the Europeans compliant, and the Brussels bureaucracy busy." (Stephen Walt, Harvard University)


This may sound alright for some. But its very antiEuropean. AngloZio USA wants European divided unless its under American orders.
This is why the tried to kill the French De Gaulle who was proEuropean.
Today Europe has changed, and is divided. Whereas before it was more religious and more Catholic (in most areas). Plus EU expands (minus Brexit).