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    Default Am I a viking? The modern Viking myth

    A lot of Scandinavians take pride in being descendants to the Vikings. It is popular to claim one is a real Viking. But, is the average Börje or Svein really genetically similar to Vikings or even a direct descendant to the fierce Vikings and their women?
    Modern genetics says “most likely not”.

    There are roughly four generations in 100 years so between modern Scandinavians and the Vikings of year 1000 AD there have been roughly 40 generations. That is around 4000 ancestors.
    Each and every human consist of 50/50 of the parents genetical components so you carry only 25% of your grandfathers DNA and the amount shared between you and your great grandfather is 12,5% meaning that going only five generations back you would have had 32 great great great grandfathers (and –mothers) so this would mean that you share only 0,03% of the genetics with any of your great great great grandparents (unless there have been marriages within the family).

    MtDNA is only passed on from mother to daughter so it is the direct evidence about where your distant mother of all mothers might have been born or come from 5, 10, 15, 25, or 45 000 years ago, depending on where in the world that very MtDNA show the highest variety. Likewise Y-DNA is only passed on from father to son so belonging to a haplogroup reveals on where your Adam of fathers might have come from. That you carry one kind of haplotype does not reveal anything about what your mothers father Y-DNA was and for sure not what your fathers mothers fathers MtDNA was.

    Among populations certain haplotypes are more common than others and we can conclude that if population 1 consists of people mostly carrying haplotypes A, C, D and F while population 2 consists of people carrying haplotypes B, C, E, and F it can be said that they have a partially different origin (or partially same if you wish). But if population 1 is compared to population 3 where haplotypes G, H and M are the only ones, we can say that they have a completely different origin.

    So, what are the most common haplotypes among modern Scandinavians and how do they compare with haplotypes which have been detected in Iron/Viking age Scandinavians?

    It is easier to detect MtDNA than Y-DNA from bones so we can only tell what the haplotypes of the mother lineages of ancient individuals have been.

    Evidence of Authentic DNA from Danish Viking Age Skeletons Untouched by Humans for 1,000 Years
    “Several of the haplotypes are either infrequent or have not been observed in modern Scandinavians. The observation of haplogroup I in the present study (,2% in modern Scandinavians) supports our previous findings of a pronounced frequency of this
    haplogroup in Viking and Iron Age Danes.”
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...tool=pmcentrez

    There is also other confirmed Viking era DNA, from Norway. The remains of an evidently powerful female from the Oseberg shipburial was confirmed to have belonged to a haplotype rare in modern day Norwegians but common in central Asia.
    It should be quite clear that if Viking age “Danes” and “Norwegians” had different haplotypes from modern Danes and Norwegians, their DNA have not passed on to the Danes of today in any significant numbers.

    But what about the linguistic connection? We know for sure that the language spoken in Viking age Scandinavia was a predecessor to later Scandinavian languages. If they spoke the same language (sort of) aren’t they then the same people? It’s not that simple. Language can either be imposed by, accepted by or passed on to one group either by simply serving as a lingua franca between groups originally speaking different languages or because one group has something the other group wants to be part of. It may be goods, position or religion.
    For example, 98% of the Irish speak English too, but it’s not their ancestral language.

    So, is there Viking DNA lurking in the average Scandinavian? Yes, but only a very small portion of it.

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    What a pile of wank. Since the Viking times, Scandinavia has had a little bit of immigration from around the North Sea and Baltic, but this had always been going on, back and forth, from before the Viking age anyway. The odd British or Irish thrall can only be seen as an improvement... Most remote villages and fjords have been fairly closed systems, with only occasional incomers until recent infrastructural development, so its obvious that the same genes have been swilling around in them for centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osweo View Post
    What a pile of wank. Since the Viking times, Scandinavia has had a little bit of immigration from around the North Sea and Baltic, but this had always been going on, back and forth, from before the Viking age anyway. The odd British or Irish thrall can only be seen as an improvement... Most remote villages and fjords have been fairly closed systems, with only occasional incomers until recent infrastructural development, so its obvious that the same genes have been swilling around in them for centuries.
    Of course you know something the scientists do not know. Can you please refer to that? What is evident is that the population looked different genetically. But how different?
    There is a new study on Swedish genetical substructure where you may see indication of newer geneflow onto the ancient compound!

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    Most genetic studies show that Europe's genes stabilized during the Neolithic. The racial/gentic elements that introduced farming to an area, will make the principal racial element there in modern times..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis24 View Post
    Most genetic studies show that Europe's genes stabilized during the Neolithic. The racial/gentic elements that introduced farming to an area, will make the principal racial element there in modern times..
    Apparently you have missed tha latest DNA studies on ancient bones?
    But yes, farming was introduced by newcomers but the further north it came the more it happened by diffusion. The iron age was a vigorous time with evidences of a lot of moving about.

    But please, do interpret what the studies on the ancient Scandinavian bones really means?
    Different haplotypes then, different now. What does it mean?

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    Part Faroese, noone can argue that I don't have Viking blood.

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    I'm a Viking whenever I board a boat with rape and booty on my mind.

    Do I need a DNA test to confirm this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellheort View Post
    I'm a Viking whenever I board a boat with rape and booty on my mind.

    Do I need a DNA test to confirm this?
    Got a long beard? Preferably red.

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    Vikings were pirates - I have 6 torrents going right now.

    Plus I went through P2P.

    And... dating myself... DCC FServs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch View Post
    Got a long beard? Preferably red.
    I have a fortnights worth of stubble and it has lots of red hair entwined with brown and blonde?

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