Are Iberians more similar to Southern Italians or to Northern Italians?

[Sebastianus Rex]

Why is this thread a genetic mental masturbation thought? I asked about every anthropolocal factor. For example i would like to know how the general body frame of iberians compare with south and north italians.

As usual it's turning into an anthrotard shitfest.

Already answered about the cultural aspects / mindset / lifestyle. If it's accurate to talk about differences between north and south Italy, since most people aknowldge that differences on multiple levels do exist, we must also bear in mind that Iberia is a rather big territory (twice the size of Italy) and naturally internal differences also do exist.

For example the Andalucian and Mediterranean Spain character is much different from northern and Atlantic regions like Galicia, Asturias, northern Portugal or Basque country. In that respect, there are alot of cultural and lifestyle aspects in southern Spain that are more in line with southern Italy while in northern Iberia are more in line with central/north Italy.

Regarding body frame, I don't think that are huge visible differences on that regard, average height is not much different. Iberians are getting much taller than past generations (I believe that's common to alot of countries due to much higher protein intake) and increasingly obese tough (don't know if that happens in Italy also).

Regarding phenotypical similarities/differences, the most noticeble differences are related to much higher Dinaric influence in Italy while Iberians are more Mediterranic like. But a large percentage of both populations have many similarities and would not look out of place among the other country populations.

[Cuore di Tenebra]

As usual it's turning into an anthrotard shitfest.

Already answered about the cultural aspects / mindset / lifestyle. If it's accurate to talk about differences between north and south Italy, since most people aknowldge that differences on multiple levels do exist, we must also bear in mind that Iberia is a rather big territory (twice the size of Italy) and naturally internal differences also do exist.

For example the Andalucian and Mediterranean Spain character is much different from northern and Atlantic regions like Galicia, Asturias, northern Portugal or Basque country. In that respect, there are alot of cultural and lifestyle aspects in southern Spain that are more in line with southern Italy while in northern Iberia are more in line with central/north Italy.

Regarding body frame, I don't think that are huge visible differences on that regard, average height is not much different. Iberians are getting much taller than past generations (I believe that's common to alot of countries due to much higher protein intake) and increasingly obese tough (don't know if that happens in Italy also).

Regarding phenotypical similarities/differences, the most noticeble differences are related to much higher Dinaric influence in Italy while Iberians are more Mediterranic like. But a large percentage of both populations have many similarities and would not look out of place among the other country populations.

I wish more answers like this were given.

[Damião de Góis]

SW Asian in Dodecad k12b peaks in Saudis, East Med on K13 peaks in Levantines. East Med first in Europe arrived in the Neolithic. Also true for SW Asian.


Stuttgart, LBK, 7ky (German Neolithic)

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 49.49
2 East_Med 31.42
3 North_Atlantic 15.45
4 Red_Sea 3.64


Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 54.92
2 Caucasus 30.3
3 Southwest_Asian 10.78
4 Northwest_African 3.79
5 North_European 0.14
6 Southeast_Asian 0.06



NE1, Hungary, 7.2ky (Hungarian Neolithic)

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 43.75
2 East_Med 35.15
3 North_Atlantic 18.25
4 Red_Sea 2.61
5 Baltic 0.24


Dodecad K12b Admixture Proportions

Gedrosia -
Siberian -
Northwest_African 3.79
Southeast_Asian 0.06
Atlantic_Med 54.92
North_European 0.14
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.78
East_Asian -
Caucasus 30.30
Sub_Saharan -


Spain Els Trocs EN I0409

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 62.96
2 North_Atlantic 20.32
3 East_Med 15.21
4 Red_Sea 1.44
5 Oceanian 0.07

That's the only way i know of quantifying "arab DNA" since Sikeliot brought it up.

You have Portuguese members in this thread deluding themselves of being genetically more closely related to some random North Italian population than to Castilians or Asturians. Simply hysterical..

???

[Cristiano viejo]

I feel zero affinity with Italians and I see Portuguese as our little brothers (cousins, when we discuss ).

[Alessio]

From which source is that PCA from again?

That is easily explained by the simple fact that you can not compare a population average with those two kits you singled out to be representives of the whole North of Italy.



There's five Italian averages on the MDLP 16 project, all with completely different averages from the kits you have posted.

But don't take my word for granted, check any PCA map. North Italians are the only Italians that are genetically closer to Iberians, despite being more southern ploting than them.

[Alessio]

He's not totally in charge as you might already know. It's much rhetoric and not much action which is very much Italian and politics. I like some new changes in Italian law though, like being able to shoot home invaders without severe consiquences and trying to get as many illegal immigrants out as possible to name just a few.

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Not that we have Salvini in charge. We are not leftists anymore like UK, France and Germany.

[Magdalenian Guy]

More similar to Northern Italians. Particularly NW Italians (Piemonte and western Lombardia). It also depends of what regions of Iberia you are comparing. NW Iberians (Galicians and northern Portuguese) are more similar to NW Italians (Piemonte and western Lombardia) because both regions had similar genetic contributions (Celtic, Roman, and Germanic). The phenotype maybe a little different but the genetics are similar. I am northern Portuguese, check my K36 similarity map attached. Besides Galicia, Portugal, and southern France, Piemonte, Italy is #4. What these regions have in common? Genetic contributions from Celts, Romans, and Germanic tribes after the collapse of the Roman Empire.Untitled.jpg

[RenaRyuguu]

Northern Italians