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    Quote Originally Posted by Comte Arnau View Post
    Bumping up this nice thread with a folk Galician song.

    You dragged your butt along the hay,
    there on the ground a bed you lay
    and you moistened your sweet little clam
    since last summer it hadn't been damp


    Let's shift from ibero-romance to insular italo-dalmatian...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Comte Arnau View Post
    Thanks for the comments, Aemma. I also find all languages fascinating, but I'm particularly fond of the Romance or Neolatin ones, of course.



    Well, bear in mind that these are standard 'tv' accents. Since Catalonia is nowadays within Spain, influence of Spanish on Catalan is noticeable in intonation and rythm patterns. However, Spanish is much closer to Portuguese, while Catalan is closer to Occitan, the native language of southern France. In fact, Catalan is even closer to French and the languages of northern Italy and Switzerland in some grammar and lexical aspects, as they all form a macro-Gallic group. But it is true and logical that, phonologically speaking, Catalan sounds more Iberian while Romansh sounds more Italian.
    I have to ask then, what does a 'real' Catalan accent sound like? Closer to Occitan and French, or does it have it's own, unique sound?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revenant_Prince View Post
    I have to ask then, what does a 'real' Catalan accent sound like? Closer to Occitan and French, or does it have it's own, unique sound?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revenant_Prince View Post
    I have to ask then, what does a 'real' Catalan accent sound like? Closer to Occitan and French, or does it have it's own, unique sound?
    It has several 'unique sounds', depending on which of the six main dialects of Catalan we're talking about.

    But certainly not the accent of many on TV, which has gradually mimicked that of Spanish. The up-and-down intonation of Catalan (which could be as exaggerated as the English one and certainly much more up-and-down than monotonous Spanish) is gradually getting lost, specially in the Barcelona area.

    Hard to find a sample of a dubbing today where the up-and-down intonation is preserved, as that is perceived now as rural by many speakers. But it can be heard in the first Catalan dub ever, made in 1931.

    (Dub starts at 0'50''. It's the Catalan dub of a French film)

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    The sound of romance ends up as a squeaky bed.
    "I don't dislike you, I simple don't care!"

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    4 different short scenes from the Lord of the Rings trilogy. (No Portuguese, they don't dub)

    In French


    In Catalan


    In Italian


    In Spanish
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouistreham View Post
    Uh, really?
    I know only 16.
    And since the nasal "un"-sound is virtually extinct (no more difference between nasal "un" and "in"), I use only 15 of them.
    Being myself aware of the continuous phonological impoverishment of French, I tend to compensate and clearly distinguish between phonemes. According to my friends I sound a bit too bourgeois, if not antiquated.

    Here I'm reading are the first verses of Mirèio, so you can here "good" (well, I ain't much good) Provençal instead of that evil Languedocian that populates the Internet. The mic's shitty.

    http://vocaroo.com/i/s00A553xLHkJ

    Text :



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    ^ Cool. Aren't those final o's pronounced too, though?

    Great work, Mirèio. 155 years already since it was written.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comte Arnau View Post
    ^ Cool. Aren't those final o's pronounced too, though?
    Not in Provence. In other places they're sometimes pronounced or weakened, depends on the dialect, and they're usually written (as following the Classical/Normalized writing conventions) as a (example : la bugada).

    In Provence they're usually muted (like the French final e) or semi-muted, as the stressing moved further back within the words, lengthening the first or middle syllable.
    If the final vowel was fully vocalized, a word like branqueto wouldn't really have one dominant syllable, but it's accentuated on the first one (branquet(o)).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudel View Post
    Not in Provence. In other places they're sometimes pronounced or weakened, depends on the dialect, and they're usually written (as following the Classical/Normalized writing conventions) as a (example : la bugada).

    In Provence they're usually muted (like the French final e) or semi-muted, as the stressing moved further back within the words, lengthening the first or middle syllable.
    If the final vowel was fully vocalized, a word like branqueto wouldn't really have one dominant syllable, but it's accentuated on the first one (branquet(o)).
    That would explain pretty much why I understand it when written but not when heard.
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