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    Default If you had a chance to redraw Europe's borders... how would you do it?

    I would probably redraw it like this:


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    Northern fleet HQ, port of Murmansk to Finland? Calling FSB(or KGB if you like)...

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    I'd give Corsica back to Italy and make Scotland, England, and Wales independent.

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    I'd keep it as is, but add Constantinople and Anatolia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forget Me Not View Post
    I would probably redraw it like this:

    What claim does Wales have on western Shropshire and Herefordshire? I will remember this national insult.

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    The main differences would be that:

    Finland would get back Karelia (all the way up to Murmansk), the Torne Valley and parts of Ingria.

    Estonia would get back some parts of Ingria.

    Sweden the Åland Islands, Runö, Ormsö and Rickull.

    Norway would get back Herjedalen.

    Denmark would get back Slesvig.

    There would be a re-united Germany (including Austria, South Tyrol, the Sudetenland, the former German-speaking parts of the Alsace Lorraine, Prussia (including Danzig), Pomerania, former German-speaking Silezia and Oppeln). In order to stop the never-ending stream of bullshit with minorities will minorities be exchanged. That means that the Croats and Poles will be repatriated and Germans living in non-mentioned parts that wish to return to Germany will indeed do so - so this means that the Transylvanian Saxons will be supported into returning to Germany and be allocated specific areas for them to retain their identity where possible). Burgenland will become part of Hungary again. The southern-most city in Germany will be Marburg an der Drau. In the west Germany would lose territories to the Netherlands (mainly Gelre and East Frisia while the Oostkantons in what is now Belgium will become German) and in the north to Denmark when Slesvig is returned.

    Switzerland would also get bigger: the Vorarlberg (if it would still choose so) could join Switzerland and so could parts of the Savoy in France.

    The Netherlands would be reunited with Belgium (including Wallonia) and acquire South Flanders and the northern parts of Artesië in France - but without the province of Luxembourg in what is now Belgium which would become part of Luxembourg. It would get back East Frisia, Gelre, the lands of 's Hertogenrade, Gulik from Germany. It will however hand over the socalled Oostkantons in what is now Belgium to Germany.

    Luxembourg would of course get the province of Luxembourg and the area around Thionville in France.

    Britain and Ireland would see a devolution and a re-unification under a new kind of United Kingdom and Northern Ireland will be united with Ireland and thus remain part of a new United Kingdom. Within the United Kingdom will Cornwall become independent and the Shetlands, Man and the Channel Islands should receive a kind of status aparte.

    France would just get some French-speaking valleys in Italy but lose a lot. Including Corsica (which could join Italy or become independent), the Bask Country (which will become united with the Bask Country with Spain and become independent) and parts of French Catalonia which will become part of Catalonia in Spain.

    Spain will lose Galicia to Portugal. The Bask Country will become independent. Gibraltar will remain British if they choose so.

    Italy will lose a lot to mainly Germany but gain Corsica.

    Serbia will get back Kosovo and the Republika Srpska and the other Serb speaking regions but lose the Vajdaság to Hungary.

    Croatia will get the Croatian-speaking parts of Bosnia.

    Hungary will get back parts of Transylvania, Vajdaság, the Hungarian-speaking parts of Slovakia and the Burgenland.

    Poland will lose a lot of territory but will get it's original lands in Belarus, the Ukraine back from those that confiscated it. And it will be allowed to restore the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

    The Czechs will not gain anything apart from the minor Czech-speaking minorities in Germany and Poland and have the other Czech-speaking minorities in mainly Hungary and former Yugoslavia returned to them. The same goes for the Slovaks.

    Romania will get back Moldavia and some minor regions in Serbia but of course lose swaps of Transylvania.

    Macedonia will cease to exist and have it's territories divided between Greece, Albania, Bulgaria and Serbia.

    Kosovo will cease to exist and become part of Serbia which will have the right to deport the Albanian influx.

    Greece will be allowed to take over Asia Minor, Cyprus, Constitanople and the islands in the Aegean.

    Russia will lose a lot and gain nothing in this round but they will be able to consolidate themselves by slowly getting rid of the minority republics. Which in the end will make them stronger. The Russian minorities in the Baltic will be repatriated on request and will not be left behind empty-handed. Although they will be allowed to re-unify themselves with the Ukraine and the remainders of Belarus into a unified Russia.

    There will be a couple of new states in Europe: mainly Ruthenia which would be on parts of Belarus and the Ukraine, Seborga in Northern Italy (which has claimed independence but has never been recognised) and Sorbia which will be taking parts of Eastern Germany where the Sorbian minority is predominant as well as those little parts of Poland and the Czech Republic where that is the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forget Me Not View Post
    I would probably redraw it like this:

    Hey thats good enough for me...The Scots have their bit of land back, and the Welsh has their bit of land...brilliant...the Irish of course can have it all, did we ever really want Northern Ireland? i think not.

    Now that England is free from the burden of providing services and benefits to the Scots and the rest, boy will you see a difference in the amount of money that is just for the English in the goverment kitty.....

    The Map of continental Europe is ok i guess but you must remember the English are an island race and is hardly qualified to make judgement on other borders, unless asked to do so....last time 1938-1990s
    Have you noticed that if you rearrange the letters in ‘illegal immigrants’, and add just a few more letters, it spells, ‘Go home you free-loading, benefit-grabbing, resource-sucking, baby-making, non-English-speaking ********* and take those other hairy-faced, sandal-wearing, bomb-making, camel-riding, goat-f*****g raghead c***s with you.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Batavi View Post
    Denmark would get back Slesvig.
    No Reason for that, Denmark gave us Schleswig in righteous Purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulrich View Post
    No Reason for that, Denmark gave us Schleswig in righteous Purpose.
    Nope.. it was taken from them in 1864.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Batavi View Post
    Kosovo will cease to exist and become part of Serbia which will have the right to deport the Albanian influx.
    I have already proved for you that Serbs are immigrants in kosovo and not vice versa.

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