Turco-English alliance against the Spanish Armada in late 16th century - English victory

[Böri]

It was the second half of the 16th century...
As Lutheran and Protestant movements were spreading in northern Europe, Spain which was staunchly Catholic literally operated a Terror against Protestant movements.

After the English shifted to Protestantism, they also dragged the wrath of the Spanish Navy upon themselves.

Queen Elizabeth I of England wrote multiple letters, begging the Ottoman monarch to unite 'on name of God against Catholic idolaters'...

Ottomans mobilized their Navy and orders were sent to Maghrebi pirates to harrass Spanish coasts.
Though not sending the navy physically to West Mediterranean, the Ottoman move was enough for Spanish king Philip II to keep part of his navy nearby Spain while also attacking Britain.

As a result, Spaniards deployed lesser ships in their Armada attacking England.
That was game changer... As the English sank the whole Spanish Armada at the decisive Battle of Gravelines.


An Economic and Social History of the Ottoman Empire, Volume 1
By Halil Inalcik, Suraiya Faroqhi
page 367



A kiss to Spain, in counterpart of the Lepanto.

[Marmara]

CV is happy, now Spaniards are more proud Europeans than Brits.

[Böri]

CV is happy, now Spaniards are more proud Europeans than Brits.

England was only invaded very long time ago by Normans who were also nord Europeans like England. Spain is less European than Anglos.
Anglos ultimately became the driving sphere of the whole West.

[Cristiano viejo]

I dont know if you know... well yes, you dont know it... but that war against England was won by Spain

[Böri]

I dont know if you know... well yes, you dont know it... but that war against England was won by Spain

Protestants won.

[Cristiano viejo]

Protestants won.

Not true. That was just a battle, ignorant. I am talking about the war.
The war was initiated by England... and it was England who asked the peace.

In the Treaty of London, England engaged to:

-not intervening in the Eighty Year War helping the Dutch,
-opening the English Channel to Spanish maritime transport,
-ensuring the tolerance toward Catholicism in England,
-prohibiting to its subjects to take goods of Spain to Holland or vice versa,
-promising to suspend the activities of the English pirates in the Atlantic Ocean.

No comment that militarily Spain defeated England as fuck.

You are welcome for this free lesson of history.

[Böri]

Could Spain physically invade England? No.
Did Spain, having until then strongest navy around, lost its supremacy in seas? Yes.
Did Protestants survive? Yes.

That means Spain lost.

[Tietar]

Could Spain physically invade England? No.
Did Spain, having until then strongest navy around, lost its supremacy in seas? Yes.
Did Protestants survive? Yes.

That means Spain lost.

On October 17, 1597, after three days of navigation in good weather, the fleet arrives at the English Channel. After advancing towards the English coasts without encountering opposition, where there was a strong storm (according to the memoirs of the governor of Brest, Sourdeac, this storm was on November 2) and the order was given to disperse the fleet, although this time The catastrophic results of 1588 no occurred. Still, seven ships landed in the vicinity of Falmouth, disembarking 400 elite soldiers who barricaded themselves waiting for reinforcements to march on London. After two days of waiting in which the British militias did not dare to harass them, they received the order to embark, as the fleet had irremediably dispersed, returning to Spain without any setback.


https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasi...aterra_de_1597

[♥ Lily ♥]

There was a number of aggravators before Spain launched the world's largest naval fleet (at the time) with the purpose to invade England, which the Spanish King described as an island of 'barbarians, savages, and heretics' who 'were blasphemous and insulted the Spanish religion.'

Firstly, English pirates frequently looted Spanish ships at sea in the Caribbean.

Secondly, the English intefered in Spain's catholic holy wars against the Protestant Dutch, by sending help and support to the Dutch.

Thirdly, England was Protestant. The Catholic Bloody Mary had died (thankfully,) and Protestant Elizabeth I had succeeded the throne of England.

King Henry VIII became a Protestant and head of the Church of England so he could divorce England from Rome and divorce his Catholic Spanish wife, Catherine of Aragon. Henry VIII ostracised his half Spanish daughter Mary after divorcing her Catholic mother and disowning them both.

After King Henry VIII's death, Mary was due to succeed the throne as King Henry Tudor's other daughter, Elizabeth, (a red-haired English Protestant whose mother (Anne Boleyn) was beheaded upon the orders of Henry VIII,) was younger than Mary.

The English didn't want Mary on the throne, and high members of society urged a relative of the late King Henry VIII (15 year old Lady Jane Grey) to become the Queen, as Elizabeth was too young to take the throne from Mary.

Lady Jane was a Protestant... but she very shy and reluctant to become the Queen. After pressurising and persuading her, she became the 15 year old Protestant Queen of England - for just 9 days - before Mary and her Catholic troops captured Lady Jane and locked her up inside the dungeons of the Tower of London... before her public beheading and execution outside the historic Tower upon the orders of Catholic Bloody Mary, as shown in the 4 minute video-clip documentary below.



The fat and barbaric Catholic Bloody Mary (aka 'the most hated Queen in England,') wanted vegeance on her father for converting to Protestantism. So she had Protestants hunted out and burned to death on the streets of England.

English people were reported to have fled the nation for a while during Bloody Mary's five year bloody rule, due to all the bloodshed and terror that she created ,and due to 'the smell of burning flesh everywhere' during Bloody Mary's reign.

Bloody Mary was barbaric and she had many people beheaded, and 300 Protestants (including pregnant females) were burned to death in England during the first three years of Catholic Mary's horrific five year rule, in the name of her religious fanaticism.



After Bloody Mary's death from natural causes, her half-sister (Protestant Queen Elizabeth I aka 'The Virgin Queen',) succeeded her to the throne of England.



During Elizabeth I's reign, English pirates looted Spanish ships at sea and helped the Protestant Dutch. Spain was furious and saw that as the final straw in a succession of aggravators ... so they built a massive naval fleet with the purpose to invade England.

Ironically, the Catholic Spanish claimed they were holy;- but they were full of hatred, were judgemental, and they wanted to murder people.

Word got back to Elizabeth I from her spies that Spain was launching an armada, so the English also prepared a fleet of defence ships and kept a frequent lookout for many months along the south coast for the arrival of the Spanish Armada.

When it finally happened and a massive fleet of ships were spotted with a telescope off the Cornish coast appearing along the distant horizon, the English were prepared for their arrival as they sailed closer and closer each day towards the English Channel.

The Spanish ships were very large and grand and totally unsuitable for the conditions of the English Channel sea.

The Spanish took more priests onboard their ships than trained sailors. The Spanish crew delusionally believed that they were 'blessed by god'.

They cared more for priests with prestige and noble ranking in society being onboard their ships, rather than for skilled and trained sailors. They thought they would conquer Protestant England and convert it to a Catholic nation. That was the sole purpose of this holy war.



The English didn't care so much for prestige when there's a practical task to do and complete - defending our nation from Spain - so the English took skilled working-class sailors onboard the English ships (led by Sir Francis Drake,) who also had practical and natural knowledge of the moon cycle and the gravitational effects of the moon upon the tides of the sea.

This worked to their advantage.... especially one night during a full moon when the English sacrificed one of their ships by setting it on fire... and then let the burning ship sail away from them by itself carried by the force of the sea tide direction... straight towards the Spanish Armada whilst most of their crew were sleeping at night. The burning ship was engulfed in flames and was heading fast with the wind towards the dormant Spanish ships. It created terror and panic and chaos amongst the Spanish sailors, and it broke-up their tight formation.

One mistake the English made was when a Spanish ship was sinking and some English sailors couldn't resist looting the ship as it was laden with treasures. This caused a bit of a set-back for 1 day, but the English ship soon caught up with the rest of the English fleet again. The Spanish had taken lots of treasures onboard as they believed they were going to conquer England and make this their new home.

The Spanish ships were massive and very grand and prestigious, but not practical and suitable for the task. They weren't as fast and manoeuvrable in the English Channel as the smaller English ships. Some of the Spanish ships even got themselves stuck in the shallow waters of the Solent between the Isle of Wight and mainland England, very close to where I'm originally from along the south coast of England.

The English defence ships were smaller and much easier to navigate quickly around the English Channel sea, as shown by naval experts in history documentaries about the defeat of the Spanish Armada.

It was described as 'Spain's national tragedy' and a 'humiliation for Spain' after the crushing defeat of the Spanish Armada along the south coast of England.

Not only did Catholic Spain fail to conquer Protestant England, they lost their sailors and Catholic priests and grand ships and treasures too.

Many of their crew died from hunger and thirst afterwards, a few Spanish sailors ended-up washed-up several weeks later on the rocky coast of Western Ireland, before they were captured and humiliated by the English.



Following the defeat of the Spanish Armada, the British then took over from Spain to have the world's greatest empire.

I'm originally from the south-west coast of England and we were taught about the Spanish Armada during history lessons.

The area where I stem from (Dorset in the West Country) has a proud history of pirates and smugglers coves.



The UK's Royal Navy in modern times saving a Spanish fishing vessel from a pirate attack... ... it's ironic, because English pirates used to frequently raid and loot Spanish ships in the Caribbean.


As for Cristiano Viejo's signature...

↑ Um, no, sod-off... because I won't give you my land. *‿~