HS: Immigrants account for half of Finland’s population growth

[Moonbird]

I we take the Somalis as an example. According to an article from last year their number in Finland increase by nearly ten per cent in a year. In the Helsinki region, about half of the growth in the Somali population involves children born in Finland. According to a researcher the speech patterns of young Finns in the East of Helsinki already show signs of an indirect influence of the Somali language.

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Som.../1135256885942

The numbers of Somalis in Finland isn't that big now, but with all future Somali immigrants plus all of those who will be granted residence permits in the future on the basis of family ties and the fact that an average Somali family has 8-10 children, I'd say they are going to have an impact on the Finnish population.

[Don]

Not really true. It must be quite a massive immigration to alter the Finnish peoples genetical set up.

[The Ripper]

I we take the Somalis as an example. According to an article from last year their number in Finland increase by nearly ten per cent in a year. In the Helsinki region, about half of the growth in the Somali population involves children born in Finland. According to a researcher the speech patterns of young Finns in the East of Helsinki already show signs of an indirect influence of the Somali language.

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Som.../1135256885942

Interestingly enough, I could notice this "ghettoization" of language already many years ago among some Finns I knew that went to the "most multicultural" school of my city.

The numbers of Somalis in Finland isn't that big now, but with all future Somali immigrants plus all of those who will be granted residence permits in the future on the basis of family ties and the fact that an average Somali family has 8-10 children, I'd say they are going to have an impact on the Finnish population.

So far intermarriage between Finns and Somalis is extremely low, though.

[Troll's Puzzle]

Well, we do need population growth

not neccesarily agreeing or disagreeing, but why?

to keep the russians at bay?

[Aino]

So far intermarriage between Finns and Somalis is extremely low, though.

What do you people think about intermarriages between Finns and Somalis? Would you prefer that Somalis marry Finns or other Somalis? If Somalis are here to stay--which they seem to be--would it be better that a Somali marry a Finn and have, let us say, two to three mixed children who learn Finnish values and culture at home from their Finnish parent? If such mixed children were later to have children with ethnically pure Finns, I bet the children would not look much different from other Finns. They might even look better than many pure Finns, as Somalis tend to have fine features.

Or would it be better that Somalis keep to themselves, marry other Somalis only, and give birth to a hoard of Somali children, who in turn repeat the same pattern? If you prefer this option, do you think that the generations of Somalis born and raised in Finland will later want to have huge families, or will they be happy with just a few kids like Finns.

[The Ripper]

not neccesarily agreeing or disagreeing, but why?

to keep the russians at bay?

Cannonfodder!

[The Ripper]

What do you people think about intermarriages between Finns and Somalis? Would you prefer that Somalis marry Finns or other Somalis? If Somalis are here to stay--which they seem to be--would it be better that a Somali marry a Finn and have, let us say, two to three mixed children who learn Finnish values and culture at home from their Finnish parent? If such mixed children were later to have children with ethnically pure Finns, I bet the children would not look much different from other Finns. They might even look better than many pure Finns, as Somalis tend to have fine features.

Or would it better that Somalis keep to themselves, marry other Somalis only, and give birth to a hoard of Somali children, who in turn repeat the same pattern? If you prefer this option, do you think that the generation of Somalis born and raised in Finland will later want to have huge families or will they be happy with just a few kids like Finns.

I detest Somalis too much to want them to interbreed with Finns. I don't really care for any "finer features". Besides, in my experience, the ones that do mix tend to represent the worst types, on both the Finnish and the Somali side.

[Aino]

I detest Somalis too much to want them to interbreed with Finns. I don't really care for any "finer features". Besides, in my experience, the ones that do mix tend to represent the worst types, on both the Finnish and the Somali side.

So you would rather see them keep to themselves, forming ever expanding Somali communities, maybe even taking over entire areas within cities?

[The Ripper]

So you would rather see them keep to themselves, forming ever expanding Somali communities?

I would send them packing. But its not up to me, is it.

[Moonbird]

What do you people think about intermarriages between Finns and Somalis? Would you prefer that Somalis marry Finns or other Somalis? If Somalis are here to stay--which they seem to be--would it be better that a Somali marry a Finn and have, let us say, two to three mixed children who learn Finnish values and culture at home from their Finnish parent? If such mixed children were later to have children with ethnically pure Finns, I bet the children would not look much different from other Finns. They might even look better than many pure Finns, as Somalis tend to have fine features.

Or would it be better that Somalis keep to themselves, marry other Somalis only, and give birth to a hoard of Somali children, who in turn repeat the same pattern? If you prefer this option, do you think that the generations of Somalis born and raised in Finland will later want to have huge families, or will they be happy with just a few kids like Finns.

The famous choice between pest and cholera.

The only good option would be a third one, that the situation in their home country would become so much better that the majority of them would return home. However, that's not likely to happen in the near future.

As far as mixed marriages is concerned I assume it would in that case be mostly Finnish women marrying Somali men. Women marrying into another cultures seem to fully integrate with the new one. Saying that it's more likely that the mixed children would learn Somali values and culture at home and not Finnish ones.

It's true that many Somalis have fine Caucasian facial traits. The Finns would surely benefit more phenotypically mixing with them than with e.g. Thais. The problems as I see it are the Somalis' very different culture, lifestyle and religion.

The other suggestion that the Somalis would keep to themselves and only marrying other Somalis isn't a good one either. That's because I think they would continue to have big hoards of Somali children and turn into a huge minority in the country in a not very far future.

So, it doesn't seem to exist any good solution to this problem.