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    Destruction of the Serbian cultural (mostly medieval) heritage in Kosovo by Shiptar barbarians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destru...tage_in_Kosovo


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    ''The name Dardan- (ethnonym: Δάρδανοι/Dardani; toponym: Δαρδανική/Dardania) may derive from the same root as dardhë, the Albanian word for 'pear',[11][17] as well as Alb. dardhán, dardán, 'farmer'.[17]

    In 1854, Johann Georg von Hahn was the first to propose that the names Dardanoi and Dardania were related to the Albanian word dardhë ("pear, pear-tree"). This is suggested by the fact that toponyms related to fruits or animals are not unknown in the region (cf. Alb. dele, delmë "sheep" supposedly related to Dalmatia, Ulcinj in Montenegro < Alb. ujk, ulk "wolf" etc.).[18][19] A common Albanian toponym with the same root is Dardha, found in various parts of Albania, including Dardha in Berat, Dardha in Korça, Dardha in Librazhd, Dardha in Puka, Dardhas in Pogradec, Dardhaj in Mirdita, and Dardhës in Përmet. Dardha in Puka is recorded as Darda in a 1671 ecclesiastical report and on a 1688 map by a Venetian cartographer. Dardha is also the name of an Albanian tribe in the northern part of the District of Dibra.[19][17]''



    Yeah, that's why the name is Albanian and why all these linguists claim the Albanian language was spoken there like Matzinger, Michel de vaan etc


    Has-Prizren area is filled with Albanian toponyms . And registers/scriptures from 1300s-1500's show an Albanian majority . Albanians back then were scattered across the entire ancient Dardania area and not just Kosova. There were Albanians not only in the South-West of Kosova in the Has-Prizren but even in North-East Dardania / modern South-East Serbia

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    These people are nuts. Claim they even lived there since 600 AD and made the majority based on no evidence

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    i don't get why Serbs claim Kosovo as specifically their core territory or as far as the core of the first Serbian state. For the first part my confusion comes from the fact how Serbs only received Kosovo by the very late 12th century at the time of Roman turmoil and held it until the early-mid 15th century which give or take is about 250 years, slightly longer then Bulgarian control over it.

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    Not even 12th century actually , but 13th century is when they expanded and that's when they refer to Albanians in Kosova, Macedonia and Toplica area. One of the earliest references to Albanians there is in the 1200's in Kosova in the Drenica area and other areas.

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    Kosovo did not fall within the Serb territory of Rascia, which was further to the north-west: the Serbian expansion into Kosovo began in earnest only in the late twelfth century. About the other early Slav settlers in this part of the Balkans we have much less information.

    Obviously some Slavs did spread through all these areas sooner or later. But there is one intriguing line of argument to suggest that the Slav presence in Kosovo and the southernmost part of the Morava valley may have been quite weak in the first one or two centuries of Slav settlement. If Slavs had been evenly spread across this part of the Balkans, it would be hard to explain why such a clear linguistic division emerged between the Serbo-Croat language and the Bulgarian-Macedonian one. The scholar who first developed this argument also noted that, in the area dividing the early Serbs from the Bulgarians, many Latin place-names survived long enough to be adapted eventually into Slav ones, from Naissus (Nish), down through the Kosovo town of Lypenion (Lipljan) to Scupi (Skopje): this contrasts strongly with most of northern Serbia, Bosnia and the Dalmatian hinterland, where the old town names were completely swept aside.



    SOURCE: ORIGINS, SERBS, ALBANIANS and VLACHS.

    https://macedonia.kroraina.com/en/nm/kosovo.html#18.

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    The modern dialect of Serbo-Croat which borders Macedonian and Bulgarian territory, the 'Timok-Prizren' dialect, does have some transitional features; but research has shown that it picked them up only after the medieval expansion of the Serbian state into Kosovo and the Morava valley, which brought its speakers into closer contact with Bulgarian (ibid., pp. 62, 71).


    SOURCE: van Wijk, 'Taalkunde gegevens'; p. 71
    SOURCE: ORIGINS, SERBS, ALBANIANS, AND VLACHS

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    Macedonia which in the antique became part of Dardanian territory:

    In the 13th and 14th centuries, Byzantine control was punctuated by periods of Bulgarian and Serbian rule. Konstantin Asen ruled as Tsar of the Bulgarian Empire from 1257 to 1277. Later the region was overrun and taken by Serbian Tsar Stefan Dušan. In a document dated between 1348 and 1353, Dušan restored the Lešok Monastery and gifted the monastery entire Albanian-populated villages, as well as the Nanov Dol highlands.[15][16] Stefan Dušan also forbade agricultural and livestock activity in the Nanov Dol highlands for state pasture tax collectors, Albanians and Vlachs.[16][17]
    Between the years 1348-1353, Albanians are mentioned by Serbian Tsar Stefan Dušan as farmers and soldiers in the district of Tetovo.[44]

    Ottoman statistics from 1452 for the nahiya of Tetovo recorded 146 Christian and 60 Muslim households. In 1453, the population consisted of 153 Christian and 56 Muslim families.[45] The 1455 defter recorded Albanian presence.[46] The 1467 Ottoman defter records of Tetovo attests that the Muslim neighborhood of Tetovo was inhabited by 6 heads of families with mixed anthroponyms of Islamic Albanian character, while the Christian quarter of Tetovo was characterized with Slavic-Christian and Albanian-Christian names, with some cases of Slavicisation.[47]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetovo


    There were cases where it even says they are Albanian but they all bore Slavic names.

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    The original inhabitants of Kosovo are certainly not Serbs. Most of their shit is propaganda.

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    In what was ancient Dardania in Nish and what is today South-Eastern Serbia area you can find medieval Albanian toponyms which attests to an Albanian population even there prior to the expansion of Serbs in Kosova and Serbia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbanaška_Mountain (Albanian mountain)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbanaška_River (Albanian river)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbanaško_Hill (Albanian Hill)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbanaška_Mountain (Arbanashka)

    etc. and many more


    In this territory around 60k+ Albanians were expelled by the Serbs in the 1870's .

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    Illyrian-Albanian phonetic form developed also the names of other cities of Dardania, such as Nish (Naissus), Binça (Arribantium), Lipian (Ulpiana), Sharr (Scardus) etc. From these onomastic facts, as well as from the fund of more than 200 preserved words from the plant lexicon, it results that Dardania was one of the herths of formation of Albanians and of Albanian language.Therefore, the very ancient presence of the Illyrian-Albanians in Dardania made many researchers to explain the intensive contacts of the Albanian of these regions with other old Balkan languages

    We come across such notifications at Abbot of Diokle from the second half of XII century, notifying that Rasha or Serbia extended until Arbëria (read: region of present day Llap)12. As part of Arbëria (Albania), we come across Kosova in French chronicler of XIV century Philip de Mesier, who proves that the Battle of Kosova took place in the part of Arbëria (Albania).13 We read more or less same opinions in the volumes of Annals of Forli (Italy), from the XV century. Also according to the French traveloguer of the XV century, B. de la Broquere, the overwhelming part of Kosova was included within the concept of Arbëria (Albania).14 We come such notifications also in the Austrian, Italian and Ottoman documents of the XVI-XVIII centuries, such as notifications “Prishtina is located in Arbëria (Albania)“, “Prizren, the capital of Arbëria (Albania)”, “Peja and Shkupi are included in Arbëria (Albania)“. Pjetër Bogdani was qualified „Archbishop of Arbëria (Albania)”, etc.15 During the Austro-Ottoman wars, the largest part of Kosova and Dukagjini Plain was on the side of Austrian army. Hence, in November 1689, when the Austrian entered Prishtina, they were welcomed by 5000 Albanian insurgents, whilst in Prizren by another 6000 Albanian insurgents. Here the Austrian forces commander, general Piccolomini, conducted negotiations with the heads of insurgents, with the Archbishop of Shkup, Pjetër Bogdani. Equivalently to the concept of Kosova a part of Arbëria or Albania, the documents of that time prove also about Kosova within the concept of Epirus. Such are the notifications: “Has, not very far from Prizren, a province in Epirus”, “Piccolomini came to Prishtina to conduct earlier started negotiations with the Epirots “, “Peja, in Epirus“ (“Ipek liegt in Epirus/Peja lies in Epirus“), “Prizren (lies) in Epirus”, „Shkup (lies) in Epirus“, etc.16. In addition to concepts of Kosova as part of Arbëria and of Epir, we come across Kosova in various documents as a broader concept, such as the news about the First and the Second Battle of Kosova (1389, 1448), the letter exchange of Ragusan chancellery from 1474, the news that came from Kosova to Florence during the Austrian-Ottoman War 1683-1699.



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