Bosnian Serb Mehmet Sokolovic (Ottoman Grandvizier): Crypto Orthodox?

[Böri]

Regardless Bosniensis admits his Serbian origin he is strongly anti-Christian (Orthodox) oriented.
When Bosniensis talking against Orthodoxy as about some evil in the same time he talking against his ancestors which were Orthodox. Ancestors of Bosniensis converted to Islam late, probably in 18th century.

Anyone having the consciousness of descending from Christians also has potential to have leaning for that direction.
Sokolovic's betrayal and abuse of power are the most perfect examplariness of this reality.
Turks highlight the Bugomilian Herectic, Manichean heritage of actual Bosniaks for good reason. Real Bosniaks weren't Catholic or Orthodox.

[Bosniensis]

And is that surprise the era of Sokolovic is also the start of Ottoman regression?
Your people destroyed one magnificient Turkic state we built with such Tolerance, Brotherhood, Muzzie First! propaganda. We are trying to save the Republic of Turkey from falling in same situation. Religion is used to infiltrate traitors and Muslim social construct make that possible.

Ottoman Tolerance made an Empire possible. Turks, Persians, Greeks, Serbs, Egyptians, Armenians all worked together with a single heart = Islam and Ottoman culture.

Ottoman Empire collapsed after the war with Germans for Vienna. (that was too much)

Losses were too Great and everything went down.

We Ottomans don't think less of those who are of other background that's why

all Christians preferred to be our subjects than under God-bishop of Rome.

Ottoman Empire and Ottoman Culture is the best thing that happened ever in history of Balkans and Anatolia.

[Böri]

Ottoman Tolerance made an Empire possible. Turks, Persians, Greeks, Serbs, Egyptians, Armenians all worked together with a single heart = Islam and Ottoman culture.

Ottoman Empire collapsed after the war with Germans for Vienna. (that was too much)

Losses were too Great and everything went down.

We Ottomans don't think less of those who are of other background that's why

all Christians preferred to be our subjects than under God-bishop of Rome.

Ottoman Empire and Ottoman Culture is the best thing that happened ever in history of Balkans and Anatolia.

No. States are destroyed because of betrayal. If the Young Turks regime didn't clear people like you, Arabs and Albanians today Turkey wouldn't be existing.
It's not tolerance which makes empires possible, that's power and innovation. Ancient Roman Empire, Spanish colonial empire, the British one or earlier the Mongol one were built on military success, technological supremacy.
Not tolerance. Tolerance is destructive.

The Islamic religion's strongest weakness on a social basis it's this ease to become Muslim. That's so naive and destructive that it enables all kinds of infiltration.
That started in 645 AD, with the murder of 2nd Rashidun caliph Umar by Persian crypto Zoroastrian Abu Lulul Firuz and kept going until today.

[Bosniensis]

No. States are destroyed because of betrayal. If the Young Turks regime didn't clear people like you, Arabs and Albanians today Turkey wouldn't be existing.
It's not tolerance which makes empires possible, that's power and innovation. Ancient Roman Empire, Spanish colonial empire, the British one or earlier the Mongol one were built on military success, technological supremacy.
Not tolerance. Tolerance is destructive.

The Islamic religion's strongest weakness on a social basis it's this ease to become Muslim. That's so naive and destructive.
That started in 645 AD, with the murder of Umar by Persian crypto Abu Lulul Firuz and kept going.

Well it's dead now, you have your Turkey our Turanism etc.. Let's see how far you will reach with Racism and Nationalism.

We achieved a lot, can modern Turkey do better? It's seem to me it will collapse anytime soon.

Oh yeah we betrayed Ottoman Empire with Hundreds of Thousands dead bodies we gave for protection of Ottoman borders. Shame on you.

[Pribislav]

Ancestors of Bosniensis arrived to Kordun or Lika in 16th century as Orthodox Serbs from northeastern Bosnia. In northeastern Bosnia they came probably from eastern Herzegovina or western Montenegro in 15th century.
In 18th century Bosniensis ancestors moved from Kordun to Bihać and converted to Islam. Bosniensis surname exist among Orthodox Serbs from Kordun.

This is migration route of his ancestors. Green color is Bosniensis surname (Зирић), and lighter and darker blue (Јањатовић and Чанковић) are Serbian Orthodox families who have match in y dna with Bosniensis.

[Bosniensis]

Regardless Bosniensis admits his Serbian origin he is strongly anti-Christian (Orthodox) oriented.
When Bosniensis talking against Orthodoxy as about some evil in the same time he talking against his ancestors which were Orthodox. Ancestors of Bosniensis converted to Islam late, probably in 18th century (most of Serbs who converted to Islam converted in 16th century).

So what when Christians talk against Paganism they are talking against their ancestors who were Pagans.. can't look back forever.

[Böri]

Bosniensis is Sokolovic v2.0

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Ottoman Empire and Ottoman Culture is the best thing that happened ever in history of Balkans and Anatolia.

Hahahhaha. People were illiterate, the children has to see the brutal massacres of Ottoman army (impalement on the picket)

Those people who are pro-Ottomanists are most often the religious fanatics.

[Bosniensis]

Hahahhaha. People were illiterate, the children has to see the brutal massacres of Ottoman army (impalement on the picket)

Those people who are pro-Ottomanists are most often the religious fanatics.

No. They are not religious fanatics. All Empires had illiterate populace up to 1880's.

If Ottoman Empire continued it's existence, you would have literacy and everything just like with modern states.

Ottoman Empire collapsed 1830's in Bosnia so that's long before literacy reform ANYWHERE.

[Pribislav]

So what when Christians talk against Paganism they are talking against their ancestors who were Pagans.. can't look back forever.

Christian Slavs don't talk bullshit against Perun, Veles, Kresnik, Triglav, Svarog and other Slavic pagan gods. You talking bullshits against religion of your ancestors - Orthodoxy.

Slavic paganism partly still live in Serbian Orthodoxy. Many Serbian Orthodox customs are clearly christianized Slavic pagan customs.