The Silent Scream of Asparagus

[Loddfafner]

Only Aspergies with Alzheimers worry about the screaming of asparagus.

[Piparskeggr]

I can see it now - "Hannibal Lecter - Silence of the Asparagus," in which our dear doctor becomes revered for his anthropo-centered cuisine.

[Smaland]

I don't agree with the line this article is taking. It even comes out attacking animal rights:



Are they suggesting that animals cannot suffer or feel pain? In my opinion there is nothing wrong with animal rights, and it is a cultured human being who can appreciate that humans are not the only species who have feelings.

I disagree with the Christian value that degrades animals and plants to be just some lifeless commodities. I also think someone who just goes about destroying plants for the sake of it has issues.

A righteous man has regard for the life of his beast,
But the compassion of the wicked is cruel.

Proverbs 12:10, New American Standard Bible (NASB)

[Magister Eckhart]

Proverbs 12:10, New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Indeed, no Christian can treat anything with life as an object, since God's being is incorporated into all aspects of creation. Any who do treat life as objects or not possessing some part of God, and therefore not being at their core blessed in some way, and claims to be Christian is little more than a heretic, and a rather blasphemous one at that.

I will readily admit that many evangelical Christians do hold these views, but after all they're all heretics, so they're not real Christians.

At any rate, viewing beasts as "lifeless commodities" is Godless and liberal, not Christian. This is typical of atheists that they seek to find Christianity in the evils of their own creation.

[Psychonaut]

At any rate, viewing beasts as "lifeless commodities" is...liberal...

Aye, I think the attitude's proliferation among Christians ans atheists alike owes far more to the ontological bifurcation between man and nature that is part and parcel of Enlightenment humanism.

[anonymaus]

I will readily admit that many Baptists do hold these views, but after all they're all heretics, so they're not real Christians.

Herpin' your derp all the way back to 1801.

[Magister Eckhart]

Herpin' your derp all the way back to 1801.

Well, they are technically heretics, and therefore not real Christians. Their theology (or I should say lack there of) pretty much confirms that.

Also, Anabaptism originated in the 17th century and Protestants are still considered heretics by the Church (though after Vatican I the language started to be toned down a little), so I'm not sure where you got the arbitrary date of 1801 from.

Aye, I think the attitude's proliferation among Christians ans atheists alike owes far more to the ontological bifurcation between man and nature that is part and parcel of Enlightenment humanism.

Indeed. And I realised that in the original quote, it actually would be more appropriate to say "atheists seek to find religion" rather than "Christianity", because the truth is that atheists are starting to realise that their refutations of Christianity are pretty much meaningless to the believers from the East and to polytheists in general (though if you ask me, most pagans and even Germanic heathens are little more than atheists who want to make a fetish of blood and ancestry).

[Loki]

Well, they are technically heretics, and therefore not real Christians. Their theology (or I should say lack there of) pretty much confirms that.

I accept that you have a bone to pick with your "heretical" brethren, but - in context of this thread - is there any evidence that Protestants have less of a regard for nature than Catholics do? If so I wasn't aware of it, would be news to me.

[Magister Eckhart]

I accept that you have a bone to pick with your "heretical" brethren, but - in context of this thread - is there any evidence that Protestants have less of a regard for nature than Catholics do? If so I wasn't aware of it, would be news to me.

Watch that "brethren" stuff; being an apostate and being a heretic are very different things.

At any rate, yes actually the emphasis placed on Genesis and "dominion over the earth" is largely Calvinist protestant in origin (thought not from Calvin himself). Almost all modern liberals who are anti-environmentalist belong to a radical evangelical sect, and those who don't seem largely to be Calvinists. James Watt is a good example of this (see his article "Ours is the Earth").

Also, of course, there's the well-established path from protestantism into capitalism described by Weber ("Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism") which accounts for (again) a Calvinist or Anabaptist source for liberal disregard for all things except utilitarian goods.