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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Interesting, another Serb user also said something similar here. I just didn't find any info on it online. According to Pribislav, Serb ethnologists see them as having a Slavo-Aromanian origin without any reference to Serbs.

    Which region are Krajisnik Serbs from? I never heard of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Interesting, another Serb user also said something similar here. I just didn't find any info on it online. According to Pribislav, Serb ethnologists see them as having a Slavo-Aromanian origin without any reference to Serbs.

    Which region are Krajisnik Serbs from? I never heard of them.
    Krajina Serbs are Serbs from western Bosnia (Bosanska Krajina), northern Dalmatia, Lika, Kordun and Banija.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosanska_Krajina
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lika
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kordun
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banovina_(region)

    Historical Serbs from Lika, Kordun and Banija were part of Austrian Vojna Krajina (Military Frontier) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Frontier
    Serbs from Dalmatia and western Bosnia were never part of Military Frontier, but in the last few decades they also are considered from Krajišnici (Krajina Serbs).
    Most famous Krajina Serb/Krajišnik and most important Serb in history was Nikola Tesla. His grandfather was Austrian officer in Military Frontier.

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    Frontiersmen come from Croatia (Krajisniks). Mingle, many of my books are over at parents house, these days with 3 kids it's hard (time). As l remember Mijaks were known to be the BRIDGE between the highland Serbs (Montenegrins and Macedonians). You see Mingle, due to pressure either people leave or fall to assimilation, this happened to Serbs in both Albania and Kosovo! Once assimilation occurs, a few generations later, people don't understand all the Serbian names etc...

    Mingle don't tell Albanians there is an Albanian tribe in Kosovo known as the Siskovici. They are hardcore.

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    Mingle, Pribislav summed it best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    What is their origin? Some Albanian members here have said that the Mijaks of Macedonia are of Albanian origin. They claimed there used to be many Orthodox Albanians in Macedonia but they got assimilated into the ethnic Macedonian identity whereas Muslim Albanians retained their Albanian ethnic identity. Is there any truth to this? Other sources say that they have Aromanian origins.

    This is what I get from their Wikipedia:



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mijaks

    The Mijak homeland is a region in western Macedonia called Mijachija and shares a border with Albania:



    Does anyone have any theories on their origin?
    The Mijaci belong to the Reka sub-cultural area of Diber. This is a map of all the self organized cultural regions of Diber. "9 malet" is place name and not a real region for 9 separate cultural regions which are detailed on the second pic. Second pic shows Dibra in Albania. While Reka, Koxhaxhik, and Drimkoll are in Macedonia.





    What is Dibra?

    Dibra is in my opinion the only survivor of the ancient city states as it has preserved teh city state organization, as well as its semi-democratic system of governance. Interestingly you also find "Olympic style games" all over Diber organized within the cultural regions.


    Who are the Mijaci?

    The Mijaci are part of the Diber identification and cultural area of Reka. Their language is thought to have shifted in the 17'th-19th century along with Drimkoll and parts of Golloborda. However, their traditions continue to be the same as the rest of Dibra.

    Josif Bageri(Albanian awakening poet from Reka Eper) often wrote about the assimilation of Reka and the Galaknik area.

    One of his poems, detailing how they were being taught Serbian and Bulgarian and taught to believe they are Slavs.

    Poezi nga Josif Bageri
    Botuar nė gazetėn “Shqipėria”, Bukuresht 16. IV. 1899.

    VAJTIM E MALLKIM!

    O, Shqypni pėr ty mejtoj!
    Pėr ty, po qajė e vajtoj.
    Se djemt e tu keq jon da
    Dhe po vriten vlla me vlla!…

    Kom me qa Shqypnin e mjer,
    Se ka gjajt si noj skėter!…
    Tuj pas kaq shum djem moj non
    Pse kėshtu kta tė kan lon?

    Dhe kan shku njė vise t’huaja,
    Atje t’rrojn t’pėrvut si gruaja!…
    Sikur s’kan vendin e vet,
    Ah, tė cilėn kan lon shkret!…

    Ah, se ē’paskan shum mėkate!
    Kėta trima ti qė pate,
    T’cilėt tė lan dhe po shkojn…
    E pėr ty spak s’kujton.

    Ah, moj non kta bijt e tu,
    Fort shum keq u kan hutu!…
    Njer sa ty kta, t’kan mohuet
    Dhe tė kan lon tė robnuet.

    Mė vjen keq pėr ty moj non,
    Se ti kėshtu s’ke pas kjon;
    Si je sot mos kjofsh kuri,
    Po pėrpiqu, fėmin mburri.

    Se po vriten vlla me vlla!
    Dhe kurkush s’ka me ida!…
    Ti pajtojnė pėr njėsi,-
    Qė t’mos rrish mė n’errėsi.

    Njipal thon: “ ke,o taljan “!
    Disa: “turq, grek e sllavjan”!
    Tjerėt mbahen shum tė menēėm,
    Si doj fmi e pėrkėdhelēėm.Me shume…

    Kto e bojn pėr fe e din,
    Tė zmetitun prej do exhin;
    O, exhin u vraft rrėfea!
    Dinie, qė s’na bon gjė fea.

    Gjithė sa jemi shqypėtar:
    Kemi njė gjak dhe njė far…
    Nona qė na rriti n’gji, -
    Tė gjithė ne na ka fėmi.

    Kur asht kėshtu, pse mohoni:
    Non e gjuh dhe ju shkoni?
    Nėpėr t’huejat msimtore,
    Nė ata t’shkreta helmore?

    Dhe msimtores thoni shkoll,
    Se nė tė ju bohi t’holl;
    T’holl e t’gjat por si peni
    Dhe kombtarnin e kėmbeni!…

    Mbastaj bohi egoist!
    Vini quhi elinist!
    Tyrkomana dhe tė tjer,
    Tuj kjon shqyptar, o tė mjer!

    Ah, ju Zoti u mallkoft!
    Turp I madh! mėkat u kjoft!
    Se atnin ju kini djeg,
    Tuj fleturu deg me deg.

    Kėshtu kta po fleturojn:
    Dhe turqishten po na msojn!
    E pėr grekun shpirtin apėn,
    Se msimtore ky u hapėn.

    Hapni t’vetat, o t’mallkuet!
    Fmia juej shqyp me msuet,
    Se keq ju jinni marruet!…
    Dhe gjuhėn e vet harruet!

    O, sa keq tash na turpnuet,
    Se gjuhėn e vet mohuet!
    Dhe sebishten zut tė msoni:
    “Vake – takė tė na thoni!

    Mos rrini t’na turpnoni
    Po bar mendes vet kėrkoni,
    Se s’na mbet as’mish as’gjak;
    Pėr gjuhėn kujtoni pak…

    O, ame, Rekas, bijte tu,
    Ma shum se t’gjith jon hutu!
    Dėrgojn para n’patrikhon,-
    Thon se sllaf ne kemi kjon!

    Mjera ti moj Shqypėni
    Ke tė drejt qė po mba mni,
    Se bijt e tu s’kan mėshir
    Ah, kta ty me t’boj doj t’mir.

    Kėshtu Rekasit mendojn,
    Po sėrbishten kėta msojn
    Me nxitim e me shie…
    Sikur s’jon fėmi Shqypnie!

    Disa mbahen shum azgon,
    Se paskan emnin Osmon!
    Kta i bien vllait kres…
    Pėr tė shkretėn and tė fes.

    Kėshtu vriten vllav me vlla!
    Kjo ka ndodh dhe gra me gra;
    Tė vriten e t’shėmbėtohen,
    Njer sa t’mbramen te farohen.

    Kėshtu kta gjith njė po grinden
    Dhe njėni tjetrin s’i binden!
    T’rrojn si vllazėn, si shqyptar,
    Qe t’u shkojnė puna mbar.

    Njėpal thirren: “effendi!-“
    E buk s’kan kta nė shtėpi;
    As’drith me ēu mulli:
    T’a bjuejn e tė bojn ndri.

    Disa thirren: “agallar!”
    Pa mos pas as ar, as’far;
    E tė tjerėt: “qirie!”
    Po kta t’gjith bij Shqypnie.

    Thiri: Zotnij, ar’t’mallkuet,
    Se amėn e vet pėrvluet!…
    Tuj u da ju nė shum dega…
    Por si toska, ashtu gega.

    Rrėnko amė rrėnko ti éthe!
    Se nė rezik tė madh erdhe;
    Ty po t’qeshet dhe aj miku,
    Se fmia t’u bo anmiku!

    Keq mė vjen, mė qan zembra,
    Dridh mė vjen qė kah thembra,
    Se bijt e tu tė kan shty!
    Pėrande vajtoj pėr ty.

    Prani zembra kuj duron,
    Gjith mon nė t’errėt e shkon!
    E kush dritėn e kėrkon,-
    Fort shum bukur nė jet rron

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    This map is of Reka Eper(Which still speaks Albanian). Un-shaded parts are the MIjaci area.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Makedonija (Makedonia - rich country)
    Evropa (Eurωpe, EuruV – wide, spacious and ωps, ωpos – face, reverse)
    Pelagonia (Pelagonia, Pel - plain and gone – birth)
    Aegae (Aegean part) (Aigaion, aix, aigos, aiga – goat, white)
    Pirenea (Purinos – ardent)
    Korešta (Orestis – the region of Kostur)
    Peonia (Paionia - after the king Paiωn or after the religious hymn in honour
    of god Apollo, and goddess Artemis)
    Skopje (lat. Skupi, hill, mound, tower, fortress, observation post
    Štip (capital)
    Strumica (from the hydronym – current, flow)
    Vargala (near Štip – abundance of milk)
    Heraklea (glory of Hera)
    Kičevo (merge, place where four confluents of the river Treska join and flow
    together)
    Keramia (near Prilep: making cooking pots and pans of copper)
    Kolobaisa (near Prilep: sheepskin fur coat)
    Brianion (near river Crna: very frightful, painful)
    Gjavato (crossing, passable, accessible)
    Pehčevo (to stand firmly)
    Stracin (military camp, army, strategic
    Udovo (doorstep)
    Galičnik – (ermine, cat and white, bright, swan)
    Kačanik (kill, execute, eliminate)
    Kalište (to be the most beautiful)
    Opejnica (a hole in the ground, cave)
    Asamati (sad)
    Capari (thorny plant)
    Cepigovo (flower garden, vegetable garden)
    Lažani (to reach, to take hold of)
    Teovo (near Bogomila: god, deity)
    Desovi (near Bogomila: remote)
    Samokov (near Poreče: high mountain – 2062m)
    Matejče (sinful)
    Korab (ship)
    Pelisiter (stone and firm, strong)
    Selečka Planina (mountain) (bright, brightness)
    Drim (furious, raging, severe)
    Struma (current, flow)
    Semnica – river (worthy)
    Treska (to drill, to bore)
    Lepenec (made of stone, rocky, uncovered rock)
    Butel (beef and marsh, meadow)




    http://www.pollitecon.com/html/ebook...ient-Times.pdf
    That dictionary is ridiculous and a mix between Greek and Slavic names. The very first entry is wrong. Macedonia comes from Makos (long, tall) and Eidos (kind) which either means highlands or tall people. the "rich country" nonsense is Slavic nonsense, nothing more, nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrulyBliss View Post
    The Mijaci belong to the Reka sub-cultural area of Diber. This is a map of all the self organized cultural regions of Diber. "9 malet" is place name and not a real region for 9 separate cultural regions which are detailed on the second pic. Second pic shows Dibra in Albania. While Reka, Koxhaxhik, and Drimkoll are in Macedonia.





    What is Dibra?

    Dibra is in my opinion the only survivor of the ancient city states as it has preserved teh city state organization, as well as its semi-democratic system of governance. Interestingly you also find "Olympic style games" all over Diber organized within the cultural regions.


    Who are the Mijaci?

    The Mijaci are part of the Diber identification and cultural area of Reka. Their language is thought to have shifted in the 17'th-19th century along with Drimkoll and parts of Golloborda. However, their traditions continue to be the same as the rest of Dibra.

    Josif Bageri(Albanian awakening poet from Reka Eper) often wrote about the assimilation of Reka and the Galaknik area.

    One of his poems, detailing how they were being taught Serbian and Bulgarian and taught to believe they are Slavs.

    Poezi nga Josif Bageri
    Botuar nė gazetėn “Shqipėria”, Bukuresht 16. IV. 1899.

    VAJTIM E MALLKIM!

    O, Shqypni pėr ty mejtoj!
    Pėr ty, po qajė e vajtoj.
    Se djemt e tu keq jon da
    Dhe po vriten vlla me vlla!…

    Kom me qa Shqypnin e mjer,
    Se ka gjajt si noj skėter!…
    Tuj pas kaq shum djem moj non
    Pse kėshtu kta tė kan lon?

    Dhe kan shku njė vise t’huaja,
    Atje t’rrojn t’pėrvut si gruaja!…
    Sikur s’kan vendin e vet,
    Ah, tė cilėn kan lon shkret!…

    Ah, se ē’paskan shum mėkate!
    Kėta trima ti qė pate,
    T’cilėt tė lan dhe po shkojn…
    E pėr ty spak s’kujton.

    Ah, moj non kta bijt e tu,
    Fort shum keq u kan hutu!…
    Njer sa ty kta, t’kan mohuet
    Dhe tė kan lon tė robnuet.

    Mė vjen keq pėr ty moj non,
    Se ti kėshtu s’ke pas kjon;
    Si je sot mos kjofsh kuri,
    Po pėrpiqu, fėmin mburri.

    Se po vriten vlla me vlla!
    Dhe kurkush s’ka me ida!…
    Ti pajtojnė pėr njėsi,-
    Qė t’mos rrish mė n’errėsi.

    Njipal thon: “ ke,o taljan “!
    Disa: “turq, grek e sllavjan”!
    Tjerėt mbahen shum tė menēėm,
    Si doj fmi e pėrkėdhelēėm.Me shume…

    Kto e bojn pėr fe e din,
    Tė zmetitun prej do exhin;
    O, exhin u vraft rrėfea!
    Dinie, qė s’na bon gjė fea.

    Gjithė sa jemi shqypėtar:
    Kemi njė gjak dhe njė far…
    Nona qė na rriti n’gji, -
    Tė gjithė ne na ka fėmi.

    Kur asht kėshtu, pse mohoni:
    Non e gjuh dhe ju shkoni?
    Nėpėr t’huejat msimtore,
    Nė ata t’shkreta helmore?

    Dhe msimtores thoni shkoll,
    Se nė tė ju bohi t’holl;
    T’holl e t’gjat por si peni
    Dhe kombtarnin e kėmbeni!…

    Mbastaj bohi egoist!
    Vini quhi elinist!
    Tyrkomana dhe tė tjer,
    Tuj kjon shqyptar, o tė mjer!

    Ah, ju Zoti u mallkoft!
    Turp I madh! mėkat u kjoft!
    Se atnin ju kini djeg,
    Tuj fleturu deg me deg.

    Kėshtu kta po fleturojn:
    Dhe turqishten po na msojn!
    E pėr grekun shpirtin apėn,
    Se msimtore ky u hapėn.

    Hapni t’vetat, o t’mallkuet!
    Fmia juej shqyp me msuet,
    Se keq ju jinni marruet!…
    Dhe gjuhėn e vet harruet!

    O, sa keq tash na turpnuet,
    Se gjuhėn e vet mohuet!
    Dhe sebishten zut tė msoni:
    “Vake – takė tė na thoni!

    Mos rrini t’na turpnoni
    Po bar mendes vet kėrkoni,
    Se s’na mbet as’mish as’gjak;
    Pėr gjuhėn kujtoni pak…

    O, ame, Rekas, bijte tu,
    Ma shum se t’gjith jon hutu!
    Dėrgojn para n’patrikhon,-
    Thon se sllaf ne kemi kjon!

    Mjera ti moj Shqypėni
    Ke tė drejt qė po mba mni,
    Se bijt e tu s’kan mėshir
    Ah, kta ty me t’boj doj t’mir.

    Kėshtu Rekasit mendojn,
    Po sėrbishten kėta msojn
    Me nxitim e me shie…
    Sikur s’jon fėmi Shqypnie!

    Disa mbahen shum azgon,
    Se paskan emnin Osmon!
    Kta i bien vllait kres…
    Pėr tė shkretėn and tė fes.

    Kėshtu vriten vllav me vlla!
    Kjo ka ndodh dhe gra me gra;
    Tė vriten e t’shėmbėtohen,
    Njer sa t’mbramen te farohen.

    Kėshtu kta gjith njė po grinden
    Dhe njėni tjetrin s’i binden!
    T’rrojn si vllazėn, si shqyptar,
    Qe t’u shkojnė puna mbar.

    Njėpal thirren: “effendi!-“
    E buk s’kan kta nė shtėpi;
    As’drith me ēu mulli:
    T’a bjuejn e tė bojn ndri.

    Disa thirren: “agallar!”
    Pa mos pas as ar, as’far;
    E tė tjerėt: “qirie!”
    Po kta t’gjith bij Shqypnie.

    Thiri: Zotnij, ar’t’mallkuet,
    Se amėn e vet pėrvluet!…
    Tuj u da ju nė shum dega…
    Por si toska, ashtu gega.

    Rrėnko amė rrėnko ti éthe!
    Se nė rezik tė madh erdhe;
    Ty po t’qeshet dhe aj miku,
    Se fmia t’u bo anmiku!

    Keq mė vjen, mė qan zembra,
    Dridh mė vjen qė kah thembra,
    Se bijt e tu tė kan shty!
    Pėrande vajtoj pėr ty.

    Prani zembra kuj duron,
    Gjith mon nė t’errėt e shkon!
    E kush dritėn e kėrkon,-
    Fort shum bukur nė jet rron
    Absolute Bull*hit. Albania from head to toe is covered in Serbianisms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    That dictionary is ridiculous and a mix between Greek and Slavic names. The very first entry is wrong. Macedonia comes from Makos (long, tall) and Eidos (kind) which either means highlands or tall people. the "rich country" nonsense is Slavic nonsense, nothing more, nothing else.

    Petro, Makedonia means in Serbian as the region of the poppy (paparouna).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novi Pazar View Post
    Petro, Makedonia means in Serbian as the region of the poppy (paparouna).
    Ahhhh i see you know some stuff about our famous opium.

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