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Thread: Which of these European groups overlap phenotypically with West Asians/Middle Easterners?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lábaru View Post
    Anyway the Eastern/Oriental features are more common among South Slavs that in Western people, regardless of pigmentation. Although Sicilian are an exception
    Maybe. But I'm not sure in that... I guess some people can have those features, but majority not. People have wrong picture of South Slavs.

    Anyway, immigrants from here are not representative, many of them are Gypsies.

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    This is pure Arabid/Middle Eastern:



    Nowhere (only if we count the immigrants in).

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    I have read an article somewhere stating that gentically, the Maltese are more Semtic/North African than European. The other groups mentioned in the poll are predominantly European, although I have not read much information on the Sicilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorri Matxino View Post
    I have read an article somewhere stating that gentically, the Maltese are more Semtic/North African than European. The other groups mentioned in the poll are predominantly European.
    Well a lot of people like to say they are primarily Phoenician descendants.. but Maltese cluster genetically as Italians. So they are European genetically.. culturally and linguistically, possibly not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cg93 View Post
    Well a lot of people like to say they are primarily Phoenician descendants.. but Maltese cluster genetically as Italians. So they are European genetically.. culturally and linguistically, possibly not.
    it's just the other way around. maltese are genetically mostly northafrican/levantine and culturally european. they might cluster with southern italians that have a touch of southern mediterranean influence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrox View Post
    it's just the other way around. maltese are genetically mostly northafrican/levantine and culturally european. they might cluster with southern italians that have a touch of southern mediterranean influence
    Do you have a source that backs this up?
    I'll find one for my side of this, too.

    As far as y-dna goes;

    Population structure in the Mediterranean basin: a Y chromosome perspective, Capelli et al. 2005

    Y-Dna haplogroups are found at the following frequencies in Malta : R1 (35.55% including 32.2% R1b), J (28.90% including 7.80% J1), I (12.20%), E (11.10% including 8.9% E1b1b), F (6.70%), K (4.40%), P (1.10%).


    Compared to Sicily

    Differential Greek and northern African migrations to Sicily are supported by genetic evidence from the Y chromosome, Gaetano et al.2008, European Journal of Human Genetics (2009)

    Y-Dna haplogroups were found at the following frequencies in Sicily : R1 (30.09%), J (29.65%), E1b1b (18.21%), I (7.62%), G (5.93%), K2 (5.51%), Q (2.54%).


    This is just paternal haplogroups but I don't think any real autosomal studies have been done on the Maltese, but feel free to prove me wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mymy View Post
    Maybe. But I'm not sure in that... I guess some people can have those features, but majority not. People have wrong picture of South Slavs.

    Anyway, immigrants from here are not representative, many of them are Gypsies.
    Well, not my case, I know very well how are South Slavs and gypsys, I say only that the pigmentation is not decisive. I have not voted atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cg93 View Post
    Do you have a source that backs this up?
    I'll find one for my side of this, too.
    Culturally, the Maltese people could not be anymore European. In fact, Roman Catholicism is the state religion. They also have a long Christian legacy too. Their language is practically a heavily Romanticised form of Arabic.

    EDIT: I realized you were asking for sources on genetics, not culture.

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    Anyway, from experience I know that these "voting threads" are used by each one for insult the country that you more hate, for the rest is useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorri Matxino View Post
    Culturally, the Maltese people could not be anymore European. In fact, Roman Catholicism is the state religion. They also have a long Christian legacy too. Their language is practically a heavily Romanticised form of Arabic.

    I was referring to the genetic aspect, in which Maltese are Southern European and comparable to other nearby European populations first and foremost. Their language and music however has Arab influences. But religiously they are Catholic, you're right.

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