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    Quote Originally Posted by Efim45 View Post
    There has been a War in America. And it was a big one, with at least 620,000 people killed.
    1861-1865. Not recent enough to be in the public conscience unless you're below the Mason-Dixie where people still hang the Stars 'N Bars outside. But I don't think that you have grandparents that watched it all happen ?



    Mine saw the Second World War. My grandfather also saw the war in the Netherlands East Indies during the Politionele Acties.
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    Oh, come on. As if there are not enough Turks living in those countries to make counter-pressure. Even Merkel's Christian Democratic party has begun to have Turkish deputies elected. As a matter of fact; the Turkish population is rapidly increasing and Germany will soon have to come to a more pro-Turkish point. The same goes for your country, the Netherlands. In France; while there's a significant increase in right-wing movements; socialists are still in power and are preparing to lift their blocks upon Turkey's chapters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Batavi View Post

    1861-1865. Not recent enough to be in the public conscience unless you're below the Mason-Dixie. But I don't think that you have grandparents that watched it all happen ?
    Nobody has grandparents that watched it all happen. Only 100 children of soldiers are alive and only a small number of grandchildren.

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    Exactly. So, apart from the rubbish folklore, it's not in the real public conscience other then the Second World War here in Europe.
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    Oh, come on. As if there are not enough Turks living in those countries to make counter-pressure. Even Merkel's Christian Democratic party has begun to have Turkish deputies elected. As a matter of fact; the Turkish population is rapidly increasing and Germany will soon have to come to a more pro-Turkish point. The same goes for your country, the Netherlands. In France; while there's a significant increase in right-wing movements; socialists are still in power and are preparing to lift their blocks upon Turkey's chapters.

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    If America wasn't involved in the Second World War, Europe and then the world, would become a part of Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Efim45 View Post
    If America wasn't involved in the Second World War, Europe and then the world, would become a part of Germany.
    You presume too much. You forget about the Russians, the British, the Canadians etc etc etc. America has the tendency to think too much of itself - America was nowhere to be seen when all went really bad in 1940. Other then that: America never saw the war apart from Pearl Harbour where maybe some kids saw some Japs fly past and some Americans abroad that found themselves imprisoned. Apart the American general public (apart from those whose son or husband didn't come home) didn't suffer as a result from the war: no the effect was an economic boom.
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    Oh, come on. As if there are not enough Turks living in those countries to make counter-pressure. Even Merkel's Christian Democratic party has begun to have Turkish deputies elected. As a matter of fact; the Turkish population is rapidly increasing and Germany will soon have to come to a more pro-Turkish point. The same goes for your country, the Netherlands. In France; while there's a significant increase in right-wing movements; socialists are still in power and are preparing to lift their blocks upon Turkey's chapters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Batavi View Post

    You presume too much. You forget about the Russians. America has the tendency to think too much of itself. Other then that: America never saw the war apart from Pearl Harbour where maybe some kids saw some Japs fly past and some Americans abroad that found themselves imprisoned. Apart the American general public (apart from those whose son or husband didn't come home) didn't suffer as a result from the war: no the effect was an economic boom.
    The so-called "Russians" were actually a bunch of communist liberals controlled by the jew. They would've ruined the world even more than a worldwide Nazi regime. So, the USSR does not count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Efim45 View Post
    The so-called "Russians" were actually a bunch of communist liberals controlled by the jew. They would've ruined the world even more than a worldwide Nazi regime. So, the USSR does not count.
    Well.. we were not liberated by the Americans (so there goes another myth). We were mainly liberated by the Canadians, the Poles and the British. So far for American importance which is grossly overstated.

    But the fact remains that despite being led by a bunch of Jews those Russians (and whatever else was fighting in their ranks like Ukrainians, Georgians, Armenians etc) slaughtered the majority of the German Army. America had one profound edge during the war... no let's make it two: armaments production and making money.

    And actually fighting the war was not amongst those. I doubt whether the British of 1941 and 1942 were too impressed with the arriving Americans..
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    Oh, come on. As if there are not enough Turks living in those countries to make counter-pressure. Even Merkel's Christian Democratic party has begun to have Turkish deputies elected. As a matter of fact; the Turkish population is rapidly increasing and Germany will soon have to come to a more pro-Turkish point. The same goes for your country, the Netherlands. In France; while there's a significant increase in right-wing movements; socialists are still in power and are preparing to lift their blocks upon Turkey's chapters.

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    Maybe Americans weren't responsible for liberating your country, but they were responsible for liberating most of Europe. And don't forget how America protected Western Europe from communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Batavi View Post
    the real public conscience other then the Second World War here in Europe.
    WW2 is very much in the European public conscience, but not out of any sense of altruism or historical interest or even to bring to light the 'horrors of war' or some such. To a significant extent, public knowledge/consideration of WW2 is largely restricted to Hitler, the Nazis etc. and why patriotism is therefore a force for evil and should be crushed wherever it exists. All things considered, the presence of WW2 in the public conscience in 2011 is largely the result of propaganda designed to make people believe that anything right-of-centre is a few yards away from genocide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyn View Post
    WW2 is very much in the European public conscience, but not out of any sense of altruism or historical interest or even to bring to light the 'horrors of war' etc. To a significant extent, public knowledge/consideration of WW2 is largely restricted to Hitler, the Nazis etc. and why patriotism is therefore a force for evil and should be crushed wherever it exists. All things considered, the presence of WW2 in the public conscience in 2011 is largely the result of propaganda designed to make people believe that anything right-of-centre is a few yards away from genocide.
    That maybe the case in Britain but until the 1970s memories of the war were confined to the actual war itself. Only then did the Holocaust made it's sudden appearance. And my grandparents (from my father's side they were from the West) never talked about the Holocaust, just about the Hongerwinter, the war itself, the fright (and they even kept that to a minimum. They never really liked to talk about it so it must have been very hard).

    And when it comes to my grandfather in particular: he never said a word about what he saw in the Indies. He has been there for four years during the Politionele Acties (1946-1949) which can well be dubbed as the Dutch Vietnam.
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    Oh, come on. As if there are not enough Turks living in those countries to make counter-pressure. Even Merkel's Christian Democratic party has begun to have Turkish deputies elected. As a matter of fact; the Turkish population is rapidly increasing and Germany will soon have to come to a more pro-Turkish point. The same goes for your country, the Netherlands. In France; while there's a significant increase in right-wing movements; socialists are still in power and are preparing to lift their blocks upon Turkey's chapters.

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