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    Default Is Oppenheimer's theory that the Welsh and the Irish are distant relatives of the Basques false?

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    Oppenheimer believed that the ancestors of the Celts in most of the British islands had their origin in the Spanish Basque country and in the French. Is it true that both populations are mostly Rb1, but if the theory were true because the Irish and the Welsh are not genetically similar to the current Basque? In addition to that phenotypically the Basques rarely resemble the British islanders.

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    The Middle Eastern farmers who moved into Europe during the neolithic took two routes, one going from Asia Minor, through the Balkans and into Central Europe and the other from the Aegean, across the northern Mediterranean to Spain and up through the British Isles. My opinion is the that the similar phenotypes that you can find in Basques and people from the British Isles derives from these neolithic farmers. If you look at the GEDMatch results for neolithic farmers from Spain and Ireland/Scotland they are very similar to each other whereas the LBK farmers from Germany are similar to Greeks and Albanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggery View Post
    http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/st...he_british.php
    Oppenheimer believed that the ancestors of the Celts in most of the British islands had their origin in the Spanish Basque country and in the French. Is it true that both populations are mostly Rb1, but if the theory were true because the Irish and the Welsh are not genetically similar to the current Basque? In addition to that phenotypically the Basques rarely resemble the British islanders.
    His theory was debunked. It really is simple when you understand that R1b came from the Steppes during the Bronze Age so no specific link with the Basques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    His theory was debunked. It really is simple when you understand that R1b came from the Steppes during the Bronze Age so no specific link with the Basques.
    Isn't it possible that speakers of the Proto-Basque language had actually lived on the Steppe (as neighbours of Proto-Indo-Europeans)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JQP4545 View Post
    The Middle Eastern farmers who moved into Europe during the neolithic took two routes, one going from Asia Minor, through the Balkans and into Central Europe and the other from the Aegean, across the northern Mediterranean to Spain and up through the British Isles. My opinion is the that the similar phenotypes that you can find in Basques and people from the British Isles derives from these neolithic farmers. If you look at the GEDMatch results for neolithic farmers from Spain and Ireland/Scotland they are very similar to each other whereas the LBK farmers from Germany are similar to Greeks and Albanians.
    The problem with that though is that the Farmer population in Ireland contributed very little to the present day Irish. The Bronze Age Bell Beakers are the people that contributed the most to the present day Irish. Remember that in Ireland there was a near total population replacement and the farmer population had likely already dwindled significantly by this time possibly due to climate change. The Beakers were by far the most successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    The problem with that though is that the Farmer population in Ireland contributed very little to the present day Irish. The Bronze Age Bell Beakers are the people that contributed the most to the present day Irish. Remember that in Ireland there was a near total population replacement and the farmer population had likely already dwindled significantly by this time possibly due to climate change. The Beakers were by far the most successful.
    What was the replacement of the population of the had ireland?

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    They're related since they are both Europeans, but they're not especially close or anything like that.

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    It’s crazy to think that not too long ago respected mainstream geneticists believed things like haplogroup R1b originated from basques. Of course even as a kid I always knew it was bull that Irish and Brits “came from basques”.

    Population genetics has come a long way since the 00s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggery View Post
    What was the replacement of the population of the had ireland?
    Read the recent Olalde et al study.
    Basically R1b-L21 rich steppe halflings replaced 90% of the dna of the EEF megalithic building populations that lived in neolithic Ireland and Britain and subsequently established the core genomes of both islands to this very day.

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    Oppenheimer was wrong and should remove his books from sales.

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