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    Are they a pure Caucasoid sub-race, or are they mixed with Australoids? I have always considered them a stabilized blend of about 80-90% Caucasoid and 10-20% Australoid, made elegant by sexual selection. How accurate is this view?

    Also, can somebody please clarify whether Europids are the only pure Caucasoids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casimir James View Post
    Are they a pure Caucasoid sub-race, or are they mixed with Australoids?
    They are considered being, racially, a pure Caucasoid/Europid subrace/racial type.

    Whether they are today mixed genetically doesn't change that, because pure Europids introduced and determined this type.

    I have always considered them a stabilized blend of about 80-90% Caucasoid and 10-20% Australoid, made elegant by sexual selection. How accurate is this view?
    In many regions this might be close to the genetic profile they have - now - but their origins and background racially is Europid.

    Sure selection might have favoured their type in the region, even after mixture took place, but the basic type can't be considered anything else but Europid.

    Also, can somebody please clarify whether Europids are the only pure Caucasoids?
    Well, Europid means usually just the same as Caucasoid and should be used that way.

    Some use Europid for European Europids only, but that's wrong and goes especially against everything in German and most of European literature.

    European Europids are definitely not the only pure Europids, yet in many regions where in ancient times Europid populations were as or even "more pure", people became somewhat more admixed in meantime, especially in one of THE cradles of the Europid race, in the Near East.

    Also not all European Europids are so pure, especially if thinking about the Eastbaltid and Lappoid spectrum, which shows Mongoliform/Mongoloid traces.

    But as a start, the new analysis of Dienekes is very interesting and helpful too:



    Clearly Europid components are North Western, North Eastern, West Asian, Basque, Sardinian, South West Asian.

    South Asian and East African are somewhat transitional and I'm pretty sure could be split up again.

    People like f.e. the Armenians and Assyrians have practically no non-Europid influence of significance and the Negroid influences in Arabs seems to be mostly due to slave trade and later migrations.

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    Thanks for the great explanation, Agrippa. Can you give me a list of the non-European Europid sub-races, or a website that explains their facial morphology/pigmentation? It seems like I could never find anything that has everything in one place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    Clearly Europid components are North Western, North Eastern, West Asian, Basque, Sardinian, South West Asian.

    South Asian and East African are somewhat transitional and I'm pretty sure could be split up again.

    People like f.e. the Armenians and Assyrians have practically no non-Europid influence of significance and the Negroid influences in Arabs seems to be mostly due to slave trade and later migrations.
    West Asia and Southwest Asian are Caucasoid but not European, since it peaks in Caucasus/Anatolia and Arabia, respectively. Also, take in account this admixture run doesn't include Oceanians/Austronesians, wich would create their own clusters and would show up in South-Asians as well, as he already did in a previous run time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casimir James View Post
    Thanks for the great explanation, Agrippa. Can you give me a list of the non-European Europid sub-races, or a website that explains their facial morphology/pigmentation? It seems like I could never find anything that has everything in one place.
    Well, there is the SNPA glossary, you can also read up Coon and Lundman in the excerpts:
    http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/index2.htm

    and of course I made threads about various of those types.

    Here is an overlook from my system, mostly based on v. Eickstedt:

    (N = Nordoid, M = Mediterranoid, T = Taurid, K = Kontaktrasse/contact-mixed race)

    1. Europid (Caucasoids):
    a) Nordid:
    1. Skandonordid (N)
    2. Eastnordid (N)
    3. Northatlantid (N)
    b) Mediterranid:
    1. Atlantomediterranid (M)
    2. Pontid (M)
    3. Gracilmediterranid (M)
    c) Cromagnid:
    1. Dalofaelid (N)
    2. Palaeatlantid (M)
    3. Berid (M)
    4. Berberid (M)
    d) Osteuropid:
    1. Westbaltid (N?)
    2. Baltid (standard)
    3. Eastbaltid
    (4. Eastern Cromagnid (N))
    e) Alpinoid:
    1. Northern Cromagno-Alpinoid (Borreby)
    2. Westalpinid
    3. Eastalpinid (Gorid)
    4. Lappid (K)
    f) Dinarid:
    1. Norid (T)
    2. Adriatid (T)
    g) Armenid:
    1. Caucasid/Mtebid (T)
    2. Anadolid (T)
    3. Progressive Armenid (T)
    3. Reduced/Central Armenid (T)
    h) Turanid:
    1. Pamirid (T)
    2. Aralid (K)
    i) Orientalid:
    1. Iranid (M?)
    2. Arabid (M?)
    j) Indid:
    1. North-Indid (M?)
    2. Gracil-Indid (M?)
    3. Indobrachid (M?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Iberia View Post
    West Asia and Southwest Asian are Caucasoid but not European, since it peaks in Caucasus/Anatolia and Arabia, respectively.
    West Asian is however a major European component and I guess that is true for a very long time already.

    Especially in the latest run the definitions changed and what's West Asian in this, is even closer to European components than before.

    West Asian is in a way like Mediterranid and Alpinoid, just somewhat less European - similar is, both appear in and outside of Europe...

    Also, take in account this admixture run doesn't include Oceanians/Austronesians, wich would create their own clusters and would show up in South-Asians as well, as he already did in a previous run time ago.
    Sure, South Asian would be split up then, I think in at least a regional Europoid component and one being closer to Mongoloid and Australo-Melanesoid.

    The components West Asian, NW and NE are just clearly Europid, whereas South Asian is - in this run - not as clear on any side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casimir James View Post
    Are they a pure Caucasoid sub-race, or are they mixed with Australoids? I have always considered them a stabilized blend of about 80-90% Caucasoid and 10-20% Australoid, made elegant by sexual selection. How accurate is this view?
    Very! That's my idea, too. Pure whites also occur among Punjabis and Dards (which includes Kashmiris) and they look exactly like Iranians (Benazir Bhutto).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casimir James View Post
    Are they a pure Caucasoid sub-race, or are they mixed with Australoids? I have always considered them a stabilized blend of about 80-90% Caucasoid and 10-20% Australoid, made elegant by sexual selection. How accurate is this view?

    Also, can somebody please clarify whether Europids are the only pure Caucasoids?
    At Dodecad they have also 6% mongoloid (east-asian + northeast asian)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aherne View Post
    Very! That's my idea, too. Pure whites also occur among Punjabis and Dards (which includes Kashmiris) and they look exactly like Iranians (Benazir Bhutto).
    I agree with the general idea, but I'd like to point out that, according to Wikipedia, Benazir Bhutto's mother was born in Iran and of Kurdish descent, so the Iranian look in her case has a much more direct explanation.

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