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Thread: Turks are coming back on Balkan: Americans to handover large military base on Kosovo to Turkey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    So America has sold Europe to the Turks before then?

    I seem to recall a certain renegade state that took aid from the Turks to break away from another state, thus enhancing Ottoman power in the West, and I seem to recall it not being the US.
    Sorry, Joe, I've got to side with Civis on this one. The US has a history of helping Mohammedans in the Balkans instead of our European cousins. The fact that Turkey is in NATO and that we put ground troops into Bosnia to defend Mohammedan populations against nationalists, to say nothing of our recent support for Kosovo, all leads one to a single conclusion: the American government is neo-Ottoman as far as the Balkans are concerned.

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    Between the Turks and Albanians, Kosovo is already lost ground anyway as far as i'm concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magister Eckhart View Post
    Sorry, Joe, I've got to side with Civis on this one. The US has a history of helping Mohammedans in the Balkans instead of our European cousins. The fact that Turkey is in NATO and that we put ground troops into Bosnia to defend Mohammedan populations against nationalists, to say nothing of our recent support for Kosovo, all leads one to a single conclusion: the American government is neo-Ottoman as far as the Balkans are concerned.
    Well, no offense to you, but like most rightists foreign policy isn't your strong suit. Indeed, the non-stop retardation that is anti-Americanism on these fringe sites is borne of this lack of awareness. First, the Muslims we defended are Europeans, and from a racial perspective more European than the Serbs. Second, in Bosnia particularly we got involved to keep the conflict from spreading and as the Serbs were the main aggressors, that meant targeting them. We couldn't very well let Bosnia rage on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    Well, no offense to you, but like most rightists foreign policy isn't your strong suit. Indeed, the non-stop retardation that is anti-Americanism on these fringe sites is borne of this lack of awareness. First, the Muslims we defended are Europeans, and from a racial perspective more European than the Serbs. Second, in Bosnia particularly we got involved to keep the conflict from spreading and as the Serbs were the main aggressors, that meant targeting them. We couldn't very well let Bosnia rage on.
    No Mohammedan is a European. No Mohammedan can be a European.

    And there ends the matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hess View Post
    Between the Turks and Albanians, Kosovo is already lost ground anyway as far as i'm concerned.
    For centuries Hungary was in the same position. We just need to bide our time until we can make a final push and completely re-Christianise and re-Europeanise the Balkans, like the Spaniards did to Iberia and Austrians did to Hungary. Frankly I can't say I'd be terribly pleased with Serbia having the job of re-conquering the territory, but I'll take the vulgar Serbs over the foreign Turks any day of the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hess View Post
    Between the Turks and Albanians, Kosovo is already lost ground anyway as far as i'm concerned.
    Only because we allow ourselves to think that it is lost ground.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Magister Eckhart View Post
    No Mohammedan is a European. No Mohammedan can be a European.

    And there ends the matter.



    For centuries Hungary was in the same position. We just need to bide our time until we can make a final push and completely re-Christianise and re-Europeanise the Balkans, like the Spaniards did to Iberia and Austrians did to Hungary. Frankly I can't say I'd be terribly pleased with Serbia having the job of re-conquering the territory, but I'll take the vulgar Serbs over the foreign Turks any day of the week.
    Bosniaks in particular are probably the least observant Muslims on earth. Should we have just let the Serbs slaughter them? Karadzic was vowing to turn Sarajevo into something worthy of a Tamerlane campaign.

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    Before the war in Bosnia the Bosniaks saw themselves as Europeans first and Muslims a distant second. It was only when Serbs started killing them and Muslim states offered aid and fighters that you saw them waving Saudi flags, etc. Certainly they're dangerous, and they are so primarily because they know that nationalist extremists want them dead or deported, but provided that American hegemony remains in force, no serious person is going to foresee some sort of new siege of Belgrade. The very idea is ludicrous.

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    Right.. so all in all we have (by your own admission) Americans backing Muslims against "nationalistic" Europeans. O.K. No further questions.



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