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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Pomak is separate language from Bulgarian?
    Yup
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    No, things are different in Balkans. Serb-Bosnian-Croat is very similar. Macedonian-Bulgarian is very similar. But they accepted as different language. Same case in Pomak. Not only dialect or accent but also there are different words. I couldn't speak fluently with a Bulgarian before i live in N.Macedonia. Turkey Turkish - Azerbaijani Turkish is good example.
    Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian are only accepted as separate languages in political sense. From a linguistic point of view they are the same language (except for maybe some dialects of Croatian and Serbian). Different accents and vocabulary are expected variations in a language which is found everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ford View Post
    Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian are only accepted as separate languages in political sense. From a linguistic point of view they are the same language (except for maybe some dialects of Croatian and Serbian). Different accents and vocabulary are expected variations in a language which is found everywhere.
    ++ Same case for Macedonian, Bulgarian and Pomak. Pomak more different than other both because of Turkish and Arabic words.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    ++ Same case for Macedonian, Bulgarian and Pomak. Pomak more different than other both because of Turkish and Arabic words.
    Macedonian and Bulgarian are a bit different because they're based on different dialects. Standard Macedonian is based off the Prilep-Bitola dialect of Bulgaro-Macedonian whereas Standard Bulgarian is based off the Sofia dialect of Bulgaro-Macedonian. On the other hand, Standard Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, and Montenegrin are all based off a single dialect. Pomaks don't have a standardized register, so I assume they just speak in the same dialect as other people in Bulgaria but with a few extra loanwords from Turkish. Same applies to Torbeshes from North Macedonia.

    The difference between Standard Serbian, Croatian, etc. is more like the difference between American English and British English whereas the difference between Macedonian and Bulgarian is more like the difference between Swedish, Danish, and Norwegian. They're all very close and mutually intelligible to a large degree but based off different dialects and have some key differences that distinguish them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LePrieur View Post
    Swedish will be replaced by Arabic
    More like by ''kebabsvenska''.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Macedonian and Bulgarian are a bit different because they're based on different dialects. Standard Macedonian is based off the Prilep-Bitola dialect of Bulgaro-Macedonian whereas Standard Bulgarian is based off the Sofia dialect of Bulgaro-Macedonian. On the other hand, Standard Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, and Montenegrin are all based off a single dialect. Pomaks don't have a standardized register, so I assume they just speak in the same dialect as other people in Bulgaria but with a few extra loanwords from Turkish. Same applies to Torbeshes from North Macedonia.

    The difference between Standard Serbian, Croatian, etc. is more like the difference between American English and British English whereas the difference between Macedonian and Bulgarian is more like the difference between Swedish, Danish, and Norwegian. They're all very close and mutually intelligible to a large degree but based off different dialects and have some key differences that distinguish them.
    Thank you for information, i already know. I think you're overestimating the difference between Bulgarian and Macedonian though. Now i can speak both Macedonian and Bulgarian since i live in N.Macedonia. But before that when i travel Bulgaria, Thrace - where supposed to be closest dialect to the Pomaks - when i ask waitress the "how much is it" she was just looking my face like asking what the fuck am i saying. This happened so many times also case was same in other daily stuffs. Even still i prefer to speak English if it is possible when i travel to Bulgaria. There is no standardized register for Pomaks as you said, but these are my experiences and i'm just talking according to my experiences.

    In addition to all there are also problems between Smolyan and Western Thrace Pomaks. There are also another problem between Xanthi and Komotini Pomaks. There are also another problem between Rhodope Pomaks and Lovrech Pomaks. Of course they mutually intelligible but since they're bilingual most of time, even Pomaks prefer to speak Turkish because it is much easier to understand each other.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Thank you for information, i already know. I think you're overestimating the difference between Bulgarian and Macedonian though. Now i can speak both Macedonian and Bulgarian since i live in N.Macedonia. But before that when i travel Bulgaria, Thrace - where supposed to be closest dialect to the Pomaks - when i ask waitress the "how much is it" she was just looking my face like asking what the fuck am i saying. This happened so many times also case was same in other daily stuffs. Even still i prefer to speak English if it is possible when i travel to Bulgaria. There is no standardized register for Pomaks as you said, but these are my experiences and i'm just talking according to my experiences.

    In addition to all there are also problems between Smolyan and Western Thrace Pomaks. There are also another problem between Xanthi and Komotini Pomaks. There are also another problem between Rhodope Pomaks and Lovrech Pomaks. Of course they mutually intelligible but since they're bilingual most of time, even Pomaks prefer to speak Turkish because it is much easier to understand each other.
    Some Macedonians told me they have an easier time understanding Serbian compared to Bulgarian. What do you make of that?

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