‘UDA forced us from our home’

[Óttar]

Have you got a source for the UDA working for the crown?

Isn't that the whole point of being a loyalist ?

Then again I did see a video of a Loyalist paramilitary firing on British forces. Which just begs the question "If they're going to fire against representatives of the very government they pay lip service to, just who the f_ are they really loyal to ?

Any excuse to get drunk, beat on drums, and shout incendiary slogans I guess.

[Beorn]

Any excuse to get drunk, beat on drums, and shout incendiary slogans I guess.

The reason most in NI do what they do. Both sides wipe their arseholes with their mouths.

[Murphy]

At any rate, there's absolutely no doubt that the Republican terrorists racked up the biggest tally of innocent victims.

This is more rubbish. The over-whelming majority of (P)IRA "victims" were in the service of the security forces (RUC/British Army/British Intelligence). That's a fact. Where as the overwhelming majority of Loyalist terror victims were innocent Catholics with no connection to the (P)(R)(C)IRA/INLA in any way.

You cannot deny this with any ounce of honesty. Loyalist paramilitaries themselves readily admit this.

Edit: Well I should clarify. It is true that the (P)IRA has a higher tally of innocent victims than Loyalists. This is due to the larger campaign carried out the IRA. However innocent civilians make up a firm minority of IRA casualties. Where as around 87% of Loyalist victims were innocent Catholics. The IRA and Loyalists had two completely campaign strategies. The Loyalist strategy was one of unadulterated terror and hate against Catholics.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Sounds like someone ripped off his drug dealer

[007]

This is more rubbish. The over-whelming majority of (P)IRA "victims" were in the service of the security forces (RUC/British Army/British Intelligence). That's a fact.

Then you won't have any trouble providing a source for that claim.

Where as the overwhelming majority of Loyalist terror victims were innocent Catholics with no connection to the (P)(R)(C)IRA/INLA in any way.

You cannot deny this with any ounce of honesty. Loyalist paramilitaries themselves readily admit this.

Do they now? If that's true it would tend to undermine the claim that they were doing the bidding of the Security Forces and had been provided with intelligence on IRA members, wouldn't it?

Edit: Well I should clarify. It is true that the (P)IRA has a higher tally of innocent victims than Loyalists.

Of course it's true, or I wouldn't have said it

Isn't that the whole point of being a loyalist ?

No, remaining part of the UK rather than becoming part of the ROI is the point of being a Loyalist, not working for the goverment

[Orange&BlueBear]

Edit: Well I should clarify. It is true that the (P)IRA has a higher tally of innocent victims than Loyalists. This is due to the larger campaign carried out the IRA. However innocent civilians make up a firm minority of IRA casualties. Where as around 87% of Loyalist victims were innocent Catholics. The IRA and Loyalists had two completely campaign strategies. The Loyalist strategy was one of unadulterated terror and hate against Catholics.

So in reality the IRA and the other republican terrorist organisations killed more Irish Roman Catholics than the UDA and the security forces combined (UDR,British Army, RUC).

[Orange&BlueBear]

Isn't that the whole point of being a loyalist ?

Then again I did see a video of a Loyalist paramilitary firing on British forces. Which just begs the question "If they're going to fire against representatives of the very government they pay lip service to, just who the f_ are they really loyal to ?

Any excuse to get drunk, beat on drums, and shout incendiary slogans I guess.

Very narrow-minded stereotypical load of bollix in all honesty.

Loyalism is love for you’re community and Country, certainly not to the establishment.

If anyone on here is loyal to their “government” I would say they are most certainly on the wrong forum.

[foreverblue]

He made a rather specific accusation, I'd like to see the evidence for it. Yours is a little broader and might include the odd copper working off his own bat. The only question is whether you are phrasing your accusation that way to provide yourself with an out when called. A cynical fellow might think you are while hoping to give the impression that the UDA was an official British government organization.

At any rate, there's absolutely no doubt that the Republican terrorists racked up the biggest tally of innocent victims.

actually to be honest i believe loyalist paramiltaries racked up the death tolls for the most non-combatants. the republicans went after the ruc,uda,uvf,british army etc as well as non combatants. the loyalists usually went looking for an ira man but settled for the usual non -combatants in nationalist areas. the shankhill butchers are a perfect example of this.
i've read posts on other boards of unionists/ british people that actually try to attribute the entire death toll between 1969 -present to the i.r.a.

i love it when someone from a country that perpetrated some of the most vile acts against innocent people in world history [example, the dresden bombings] have the nerve to complain about the loss of innocent lives.
anyway in a war/conflict no one is innocent , they are colateral damage or non -combatants. the innocent people thing is a very successful and well used propaganda tool.

[foreverblue]

actually another popular thing with british people and loyalist's is to deny things collusion etc.
having lived in northern ireland its amazing the amount of rubbish that gets spouted by brits on white nationalism/ white supremist sites when they haven't even been across the irish sea .
oh and by the way i'm a protestant

not to say anyone in this thread isn't form norn iron

[foreverblue]

Isn't that the whole point of being a loyalist ?

Then again I did see a video of a Loyalist paramilitary firing on British forces. Which just begs the question "If they're going to fire against representatives of the very government they pay lip service to, just who the f_ are they really loyal to ?

Any excuse to get drunk, beat on drums, and shout incendiary slogans I guess.

i use to laugh my guts out at orange marches. i found the whole exercise pointless and provocative