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    Default Who Were The Phoenicians?

    Europe is named after a Phoencian noble. The Phoenicians themselves appear to have been similar, or even the same people, as the Israelites (with whom they had many linguistic, religious and cultural links) but also had many cultural links with the Greeks.



    The Phoenician Empire in its glory days from 1100-700 BC as being the alliance of the Israelites with the smaller city-states of Tyre, Sidon, etc. located on the modern Lebanese coast. Let’s review this period before commenting on the links. The Bible mentions this alliance was firmly established by King David of the United Kingdom of Israel and King Hiram of Tyre circa 1000 BC (II Samuel 5:11-12, I Chronicles 14:1-2). The alliance became a multi-generational one when King Hiram confirmed the alliance with David’s son, King Solomon (I Kings 5:1-2). Under Kings Hiram and Solomon, the alliance of the Israelite tribes with Tyre became very close. I Kings 5 states that the two groups had many tens of thousands of laborers working in each other’s nations and I Kings 5:6 indicates that the Sidonians were also a part of this alliance. After the great Israelite civil war, the northern ten tribes of Israel remained allied with the Phoenicians while Judah generally went an independent way.


    In Greek mythology Europa (Greek: Εὐρώπη Eurṓpē; Doric Greek: Εὐρώπα Eurṓpā) was a Phoenician woman of high lineage, from whom the name of the continent Europe has ultimately been taken
    Phoenicia (UK /fɨˈnɪʃə/ or US /fəˈniːʃə/; from the Greek: Φοινίκη, Phoiníkē; Arabic: فينيقية‎, Finiqyah) was an ancient Semitic civilization situated on the western, coastal part of the Fertile Crescent and centered on the coastline of modern Lebanon and Tartus Governorate in Syria. All major Phoenician cities were on the coastline of the Mediterranean, some colonies reaching the Western Mediterranean. It was an enterprising maritime trading culture that spread across the Mediterranean from 1550 BC to 300 BC. The Phoenicians used the galley, a man-powered sailing vessel, and are credited with the invention of the bireme. They were famed in Classical Greece and Rome as 'traders in purple', referring to their monopoly on the precious purple dye of the Murex snail, used, among other things, for royal clothing, and for their spread of the alphabet (or abjad), from which almost all modern phonetic alphabets are derived.

    Phoenicians are widely thought to have originated from the earlier Canaanite inhabitants of the region. Although Egyptian seafaring expeditions had already been made to Byblos to bring back "cedars of Lebanon" as early as the 3rd millennium BC, continuous contact only occurred in the Egyptian New Empire period. In the Amarna tablets of the 14th century BC, people from the region called themselves Kenaani or Kinaani (either the same as the Canaanites, or the Kenanites/Cainanites spoken of the Septuagint version of Gen. 10:24), although these letters predate the invasion of the Sea Peoples by over a century. Much later, in the 6th century BC, Hecataeus of Miletus writes that Phoenicia was formerly called χνα (Latinized: khna), a name Philo of Byblos later adopted into his mythology as his eponym for the Phoenicians: "Khna who was afterwards called Phoinix".

    Phoenicia is really a Classical Greek term used to refer to the region of the major Canaanite port towns, and does not correspond exactly to a cultural identity that would have been recognised by the Phoenicians themselves. It is uncertain to what extent the Phoenicians viewed themselves as a single ethnicity and nationality. Their civilization was organized in city-states, similar to ancient Greece. However, in terms of archaeology, language, life style and religion, there is little to set the Phoenicians apart as markedly different from other Semitic cultures of Canaan. As Canaanites, they were unique in their remarkable seafaring achievements.

    Each city-state was a politically independent unit. They could come into conflict and one city might be dominated by another city-state, although they would collaborate in leagues or alliances. Though ancient boundaries of such city-centered cultures fluctuated, the city of Tyre seems to have been the southernmost. Sarepta (modern day Sarafand) between Sidon and Tyre is the most thoroughly excavated city of the Phoenician homeland.

    The Phoenicians were the first state-level society to make extensive use of the alphabet. The Phoenician phonetic alphabet is generally believed to be the ancestor of almost all modern alphabets. From a traditional linguistic perspective, they spoke Phoenician, a Canaanite dialect. However, due to the very slight differences in language, and the insufficient records of the time, whether Phoenician formed a separate and united dialect, or was merely a superficially defined part of a broader language continuum, is unclear. Through their maritime trade, the Phoenicians spread the use of the alphabet to North Africa and Europe, where it was adopted by the Greeks, who later passed it on to the Etruscans, who in turn transmitted it to the Romans. In addition to their many inscriptions, the Phoenicians are believed to have left numerous other types of written sources, but most have not survived.

    Herodotus' account (written c. 440 BC) refers to the myths of Io and Europa. (History, I:1).

    According to the Persians best informed in history, the Phoenicians began the quarrel. These people, who had formerly dwelt on the shores of the Erythraean Sea, having migrated to the Mediterranean and settled in the parts which they now inhabit, began at once, they say, to adventure on long voyages, freighting their vessels with the wares of Egypt and Assyria ...
    —Herodotus

    The Greek historian Strabo believed that the Phoenicians originated from Bahrain. Herodotus also believed that the homeland of the Phoenicians was Bahrain. This theory was accepted by the 19th-century German classicist Arnold Heeren who said that: "In the Greek geographers, for instance, we read of two islands, named Tyrus or Tylos, and Arad, Bahrain, which boasted that they were the mother country of the Phoenicians, and exhibited relics of Phoenician temples." The people of Tyre in particular have long maintained Persian Gulf origins, and the similarity in the words "Tylos" and "Tyre" has been commented upon.[18] However, there is little evidence of occupation at all in Bahrain during the time when such migration had supposedly taken place. Later classicist theories were proposed prior to modern archaeological excavations which revealed no disruption of Phoenician societies between 3200 BC and 1200 BC.
    The Phoenicians also founded Carthage;

    Carthage (/ˈkɑrθɪdʒ/; Arabic: قرطاج‎ Qarṭāj, Berber: ⴽⴰⵔⵜⴰⵊⴻⵏ Kartajen) is a suburb of Tunis, Tunisia that was the centre of the Carthaginian Empire in antiquity. The city has existed for nearly 3,000 years, developing from a Phoenician colony of the 1st millennium BC into the capital of an ancient empire. It was little more than an agricultural village for nine hundred years until the middle of the 20th century; since then it has grown rapidly as an upscale coastal suburb. In 2004 it had a population of 15,922 according to the national census, and an estimated population of 21,276 in January 2013.

    Historically Carthage has been known as: Latin: Carthago or Karthago, Ancient Greek: Καρχηδών Karkhēdōn, Etruscan: *Carθaza, from the Phoenician 𐤒𐤓𐤕 𐤇𐤃𐤔𐤕 Qart-ḥadašt meaning New City (Aramaic: קרתא חדתא‎, Qarta Ḥdatha), implying it was a 'new Tyre'.



    The first civilization that developed within the city's sphere of influence is referred to as Punic (a form of the word "Phoenician") or Carthaginian. The city of Carthage is located on the eastern side of Lake Tunis across from the center of Tunis. According to Greek historians, Carthage was founded by Canaanite-speaking Phoenician colonists from Tyre (in modern Lebanon) under the leadership of Queen Elissa or Dido. It became a large and rich city and thus a major power in the Mediterranean. The resulting rivalry with Syracuse, Numidia, and Rome was accompanied by several wars with respective invasions of each other's homeland.

    Hannibal's invasion of Italy in the Second Punic War culminated in the Carthaginian victory at Cannae and led to a serious threat to the continuation of Roman rule over Italy; however, Carthage emerged from the conflict weaker after Hannibal's defeat at the Battle of Zama in 202 BC. Following the Third Punic War, the city was destroyed by the Romans in 146 BC. However, the Romans refounded Carthage, which became the empire's fourth most important city and the second most important city in the Latin West. It later became the capital of the short-lived Vandal kingdom. It remained one of the most important Roman cities until the Muslim conquest when it was destroyed a second time in 698.

    The ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle wrote extensively on Carthaginian politics, and he considered the city to have one of the best governing institutions in the world, along with those of the Greek states of Sparta and Crete.
    Some people even speculate Jews and Phoenicians were the same people and Sephardi communities descend from Phoencians;
    http://www.proza.ru/2009/06/24/231
    http://leherensuge.blogspot.com.au/2...nians-are.html

    So, who were the Phoenicians?
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    They were a group of Cannanites who were more in contact with the Hellenic world that's all. Today they are extinct and no one really can claim direct descent from them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabatea1 View Post
    They were a group of Cannanites who were more in contact with the Hellenic world that's all. Today they are extinct and no one really can claim direct descent from them.
    A lot of Lebanese must be descendents.
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    Were the Phoenicians and the ancient Greeks also related to the Etruscans too?
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    most of the spaniards who migrated to mexico were from the south so i think i m phoenician

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Rose View Post
    Were the Phoenicians and the ancient Greeks also related to the Etruscans too?
    Only culturally, to a certain extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    A lot of Lebanese must be descendents.
    that i heard that lebanese are the descend of Phoenicians, but lebanese are composed of different subgroup , which of them?

    Quote Originally Posted by nose View Post
    most of the spaniards who migrated to mexico were from the south so i think i m phoenician
    Once i read that before of Reconquista and migration to America, the South of Spain was different to today, but i don't in what measure the phoenicians mixed with local populations, Roman were the biggest colonizator in Europe but they had a small genetical impact in conquered lands, with Phoenicias could be the same
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    Nobody knows what the Etruscans really were.
    The most likely theories are that they were Anatolians/a language isolation or maybe a Finno-Ugric kind of people

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    Phoenicians and Greeks actually were rivals. I remember reading once that the Phoenicians got to Sicily first before Greeks did, and I know that they fought over control of the entire island and the Greeks eventually won.

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