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    What’s your opinion on the European Union?

    As a nationalist I oppose the EU and the extinction of genuine nation states, which doesn't mean that I'm against European friendship.

    The transfer of sovereignty has gone too far in my opinion; I don't want a supranational European state, not even a confederacy. I also don’t think that we need such in order to match China or India. At least my country would be doing fine without the Union.

    I prefer the British model of a simple free trade Union, which leaves the sovereignty of the nation states untouched. So I favour a free trade zone in Europe without any political implications. I don’t oppose temporary multinational political alliances and cooperation in certain sectors, though.

    I like UKIP’s stance on the EU and admire Nigel Farrage, the enfant terrible for the eurocrats.

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    I’m convinced that the undemocratic and more and more autocratic EU rips off my country continuously. I see no benefit for Germany to stay and finance corrupt, bankrupt and ungrateful states unwilling to reform. Greece and Portugal wish to continue to live beyond their means, so that others “have to” pay their bills against the paragraphs of all European treaties!
    The benefits are vastly exaggerated by the political class and media in Germany. We’d be better off with a return of the Deutsche Mark as we can see in the current crisis.

    Cons:
    • European integration is dictated patronisingly and doesn’t come from the people.
    • European integration lacks appropriate democratic legitimation
    • The constitutive process was highly undemocratic
    • No referendums or popular decision-making procedures
    • The EU as a whole isn’t transparent and lobbyists control much of the EU
    • Centralisation of competences and power at the EU level, but still the control of subsidiarity is highly ineffective and fraud is a common practice
    • The current practice of bail-outs of states unwilling to reform properly, results in a money transfer Union, which is against the paragraphs of the European treaties and shows that these aren't worth the paper they're written on. The practice of money injections just burns incredible amounts of money and doesn't solve anything; to the contrary it's getting worse!
    • EU bureaucrats enjoy a lot of privileges like f.e. immunity and cost huge sums of money


    What's your stance on the EU?
    Last edited by Winterwolf; 05-12-2011 at 10:52 PM.
    Eine Nation aber, die ihre komplette Geschichte verwirft und unter moralischen, ja kriminellen Generalverdacht stellt, konzediert ihre eigene Unmöglichkeit und gibt den moralischen Anspruch auf eine selbstbestimmte Zukunft preis.

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    I am pro-EU but not pro- this EU. I do believe in the concept of a European federation (a European Community or United States of Europe if you may) modelled in part on the early United States and on Switzerland and I have written quite a bit about it on this forum by now. I can admire Farage for his determination to look at internal corruption.. however be aware that a lot of those eurosceptics are on the payrole of American neoconservatives and zionists that are very afraid of a United Europe (as it would be competition for them).

    Full blown national sovereignty in a world ran by powerblocks would not be beneficiary in the long run. The biggest EU-country Germany has 70 million Germans.. the rest is non-German. The United States has over 300 million people, China over 1 billion. See the slight difference in demographic power ?

    When all of us stand together we have a population of well over 400 million Europeans (that's the current member states alone) and we could defend ourselves from a hostile take-over. For that we need the political will and have no illusions: we will simply be divided amongst ourselves and picked off one by one if we don't hang together.



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    I'm entirely against the EU and I come from the greatest net contributor, Germany. As a matter of fact, we're the mere cash cow for all others. EU is on the way to become a Western version of Sowjetunion with its central in Brussels.

    I hold everything what has to do with the EU in contempt. Down with this sickness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svanhild View Post
    I'm entirely against the EU and I come from the greatest net contributor, Germany. As a matter of fact, we're the mere cash cow for all others. EU is on the way to become a Western version of Sowjetunion with its central in Brussels.

    I hold everything what has to do with the EU in contempt. Down with this sickness.
    So.. how would you like even bigger American influence on your then "independent" Germany ?



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    Was the extension of Europe really beneficial? Do sheer numbers make a better economy or do they just mean more of a burden for successful economies like Germany, the Netherlands, Austria, Scandinavia, Britain and France?

    I believe in quality not quantity.

    Even in a globalised world of rising China and emerging India demographic numbers don’t equal economic or military power. Always in history quality outmatched quantity.

    I can see where you're coming from, Civis. I respect your views and I've read your posts on the future of Europe. I even agree for most parts, what the goals of a European Union should be, but that’s not how the existing EU works.

    It was predicted that putting very much different economies together in an economic cage including a common currency wouldn't work. Economic experts raising doubts were subsequently ignored by the eurocrats.

    I don’t think that all is bad about the EU, but I lost all hope, that it could possibly reform to the better or get back on the right track. It simply won’t happen, because the EU is mobbed up by lobbyists and multiculturalist social romantics enforcing political correctness and mass immigration as solution to demographic problems. Every nation so far, which opposed the corrupted ideal of human rights by leftists, which has nothing to do with the original one of the French Revolution any more, was sued or put under pressure by the European court. For decades the EU was controlled by the ’68 generation.
    The EU is completely decoupled from the needs and wishes of the people. It is ruled by a bureaucratic and more and more autocratic elite/regime, which isn’t concerned about facts, but orientates on wish thinking.
    The Union has even gone so far to ignore referendums; we’ve seen that in France, the Netherlands and Ireland. It has the will to rule, but not for the better of the people!
    It became a tool for do-gooders to enforce their will to islamisation and their globalist fantasies on the nation states.

    The EU is doing nothing against mass immigration of Muslims from North Africa and the Levant. All you hear from EU officials is some bullshit about their corrupted version of human rights and that we can’t deny the poor and wretched masses entrance.
    In reality Spain, Italy, Malta and Greece are left alone with the problem and they are denied to just send those economic refugees back. Afaik a year ago or so the European parliament decided to strengthen the rights of refugees, which makes deportation even harder.

    Therefore the EU will lead to the ultimate destruction of Europe and it needs to be destroyed, so that the nation states can solve their problems again freely.
    Last edited by Winterwolf; 05-13-2011 at 10:03 PM.
    Eine Nation aber, die ihre komplette Geschichte verwirft und unter moralischen, ja kriminellen Generalverdacht stellt, konzediert ihre eigene Unmöglichkeit und gibt den moralischen Anspruch auf eine selbstbestimmte Zukunft preis.

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    Well, I support direct democracy and localized decision making. Tell me how is an individual supposed to affect the decisions affecting his surrounding when the power to do so has been transferred to some ivory tower in Brüssels? When the "democratic" structures get that big, nobody can really affect anything without cooperating with millions of people - which results people being controlled by elites and change being possible only by brainless mass movements. I refuse to call that democracy when the decisions affecting your society are sovereignly made by a representative organ elected by hundreds of million of foreigners. And in the case of EU, it's not even the representative organ that makes decision...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Batavi View Post
    a lot of those eurosceptics are on the payrole of American neoconservatives and zionists that are very afraid of a United Europe (as it would be competition for them).
    You must have something confused, as the American neoconservatives love the EU and support its expansion as a way to 'spread democracy'. Any rise of a Eurosceptic party usually brings fits about 'the current of fascism raising its head again'. The Eurosceptics here a mix of underfunded and mostly fringe groups; mainly libertarians, paleo-conservatives, and people with attachment to the 'old country' (mainly Irish who still love the IRA and recent immigrants from eastern Europe).

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    I am violently opposed to the EU they have taken the great natural qualities which each nation possessed previously and tried to mix it all into one pot to no avail. Not to mention they have allowed foreign elements to intrude into Europe and for that I say off with their heads. I do not care for these people who want the Unity of Europe I think the original intent was good but as usual the goodness of the original intent has been twisted and corrupted by powerful and greedy people. I am not going to blame anyone specifically but I think a few politicians and prime ministers in Europe deserve to be hanged for their treasonous behaviors. Europe is full of corruption and has now become the moral offspring of the American system which is so full of holes and so lacking in life that it is like a dead machine that is slowly decaying as the hordes from the East are allowed to feed off what is left of the once beautiful and wondrous culture of Europe. When the people stand up and I mean this literally and take back what is theirs when their instinct cries unto them to take up sword and shield for their fatherland to stand above these corrupt politicians and drive these Huns from Europe's fair lands we will see an age of prosperity in Europe. Unfortunately people are to afraid to step up and preserve that which has made them what they are today. I am afraid that all these noble forms of culture will be lost to degenerate forces from the outside because of negligence and a blind ignorance which has been purported by that monstrous entity called the EU.

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    Long live the EU!


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    I oppose the European Union of Soviet Socialist Republics whole-heartedly, but would not be opposed to a European Imperium.

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