European Genetic Clusters

[Jackson78]

Old Kuči are R1a, new Kuči are E-V13. New Kuči are more numerous.
Name Kuči is Albanian and cames from new Kuči.

Actually, no, old Kuči (Mrnjavčići) and new Kuči (Drekalovići) belong to same haplogroup and cluster.

[Dunai]

Was thinking of including more than just Europe, but there isn't as much easily available info regarding regions outside Europe and this is a European forum anyways, so this thread is just gonna stay simple and be about genetic clusters in the context of Europeans. Let me know what you think of these anyways.

Northwest European
• British Isles
• Scandinavia
• Northwest Germany
• Benelux
• Northern France

Celto-Germanic
• Eastern & Central France
• West-Central Germany
• Southern Germany
• Switzerland
• Tyrol & Vorarlberg

Iberian
• Spain
• Portugal
• Andorra

Vasconic
• Basque Country
• Navarre
• Gascony

Sardinian
• Sardinia

Italo-Gallic
• Southern France
• North Italy

Danubian
• Slovenia
• Northwest Croatia
• Hungary
• Eastern & Central Austria
• Northern Romania
• Moldova

Slavo-Germanic
• Northeast Germany
• Czechia
• Slovakia

Central-East European
• Poland
• Ukraine
• Belarus
• Western Russia

Baltic
• Latvia
• Lithuania
• Northeast Poland

Northeast European
• Finland
• Estonia
• North Russia

West Dinaric
• Southern Croatia
• Bosnia & Herzegovina
• Western & Northern Serbia
• Prechani Serbs
• Slavonia

East Dinaric
• Montenegro
• Southern & Eastern Serbia
• Central Romania

Eastern Balkan
• Wallachia
• Bulgaria
• Vardar Macedonia
• Balkan Turks

Adriatic-Ionian
• Kosovo
• Albania
• Mainland Greece
• Ionian Islands
• Cyclades
• Central Italy
• Central-South Italy

Aegean-Ionian
• North Aegean
• Crete
• Dodecanese
• South Italy
• Malta

Romanians and Moldovans definitely don't cluster mainly as Danubian, but Pontid and East Balkan. Also Southern Ukrainians are mainly Pontid and overlap with Moldovans. Slovaks, Czechs, Southern Poles and Western Ukrainians should also belong under Danubian.

[pelikarski]

Why would they do that?

The body was moved to Sofia from Banska monastery around 1460.
During the battle of Kosovo the body was moved to Trepca and later to Sofia by metropolite Silvan,

[Kelmendasi]

Actually, no, old Kuči (Mrnjavčići) and new Kuči (Drekalovići) belong to same haplogroup and cluster.

I guess they are talking about the Pre-Kuqi inhabitants of the area, the R1a-YP417 Klikovci. Though there seems to be other pre-Kuqi inhabitants from the region, such as the E-Z19851 carriers that today identify with the Drekalovici

[Pribislav]

When I was there years ago we went to see the body of king Lazar. Not sure if it was actually his body but if it was he was a very tall man. The body had no head though because he was beheaded by Turks

When I was in Studenica I wanted too se body of Stefan Nemanja. But his body can be seen only in special days, and that day was not one of them.

For many Serbian medieval rulers there are legends that they were 2 m tall.

[Ayetooey]

I guess they are talking about the Pre-Kuqi inhabitants of the area, the R1a-YP417 Klikovci. Though there seems to be other pre-Kuqi inhabitants from the region, such as the E-Z19851 carriers that today identify with the Drekalovici

I talk of the Old Kuči (Stari kuči/Стари кучи, Starokuči/Старокучи), with Mitrovdan as Slava. I have read of members being tested as R1a. I am no expert, just something I read so I may be mistaken.

[Kelmendasi]

I talk of the Old Kuči (Stari kuči/Стари кучи, Starokuči/Старокучи), with Mitrovdan as Slava. I have read of members being tested as R1a. I am no expert, just something I read so I may be mistaken.

They can be referred to as old Kuqi as they inhabited the area of Kuq first, though technically the old Kuqi are the Mrnjavcic who migrated from the Shkodra area. They are technically the old Kuqi as they were the first who seem to have formed the clan and brought the name. Mitrovdan is one of the main Slavas celebrated by Kuqi, it is celebrated by the Mrnjavcici(Including groups absorbed into the brotherhood). Drekalovici celebrates Nikoljdan. The R1a-YP417 carriers from Kuqi seem to celebrate Durdic as their Slava though, but this might only be among some the the YP417 carriers, as the group is now part of the Mrnjavcici who celebrate Mitrovdan.

[Jackson78]

I talk of the Old Kuči (Stari kuči/Стари кучи, Starokuči/Старокучи), with Mitrovdan as Slava. I have read of members being tested as R1a. I am no expert, just something I read so I may be mistaken.

Nope, Old Kuči with Mitrovdan are called Mrnjavčići and they are E-V13.

[Jackson78]

They can be referred to as old Kuqi as they inhabited the area of Kuq first, though technically the old Kuqi are the Mrnjavcic who migrated from the Shkodra area. They are technically the old Kuqi as they were the first who seem to have formed the clan and brought the name. Mitrovdan is one of the main Slavas celebrated by Kuqi, it is celebrated by the Mrnjavcici(Including groups absorbed into the brotherhood). Drekalovici celebrates Nikoljdan. The R1a-YP417 carriers from Kuqi seem to celebrate Durdic as their Slava though, but this might only be among some the the YP417 carriers, as the group is now part of the Mrnjavcici who celebrate Mitrovdan.

Sekulići from Berane (they are tested as E-V13, but not related to Mrnjavčići and Drekalovići) are also probably pre-Kuqi inhabitants.

[Kelmendasi]

Sekulići from Berane (they are tested as E-V13, but not related to Mrnjavčići and Drekalovići) are also probably pre-Kuqi inhabitants.

What clade of E-V13 are they? Also what do oral traditions say about their origin? They seem to celebrate Nikoljdan and so identify with Drekalovici but I am not sure of their actual origins or clade.