European Genetic Clusters

[Jackson78]

What clade of E-V13 are they? Also what do oral traditions say about their origin? They seem to celebrate Nikoljdan and so identify with Drekalovici but I am not sure of their actual origins or clade.

Maybe L241. According to their oral tradition, they are from Kuqi.

[Tschaikisten]

Maybe L241.

Z1057.

[Kelmendasi]

Z1057.

E-Z1057 basal or has he not tested SNPs?

[Tschaikisten]

E-Z1057 basal or has he not tested SNPs?

Predicted as Z1057.

[Kelmendasi]

Predicted as Z1057.

Ah, in that case they should test their SNPs. Z1057 is very broad and is even ancestral to CTS5856 so I doubt that they belong to Z1057*

[Mingle]

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This user from Northwest Romania gets Hungarians, Slovenes, and Czechs as his closest populations. Maybe it's just a bad calculator or he's an outlier, I'm not 100% sure. Whatever the case is, I haven't seen many GEDmatch results from that region. So based off that, it seems like they're pretty close.

By the way, this is only for North Romanians and Moldovans. South Romanians and Central Romanians are in a different cluster.

If you guys are sure about this, then I'll PM the mods and ask them to edit the OP. I just thought I'd wait for more opinions but nobody seems to have commented on that.

[Blondie]

This user from Northwest Romania gets Hungarians, Slovenes, and Czechs as his closest populations. Maybe it's just a bad calculator or he's an outlier, I'm not 100% sure. Whatever the case is, I haven't seen many GEDmatch results from that region. So based off that, it seems like they're pretty close.

By the way, this is only for North Romanians and Moldovans. South Romanians and Central Romanians are in a different cluster.

If you guys are sure about this, then I'll PM the mods and ask them to edit the OP. I just thought I'd wait for more opinions but nobody seems to have commented on that.

Romania is a complicated country. Transylvania is very central european, Moldova is very close to Ukraine, East Europe and Wallachia is full balkanite.

[Carpatz]

This user from Northwest Romania gets Hungarians, Slovenes, and Czechs as his closest populations. Maybe it's just a bad calculator or he's an outlier, I'm not 100% sure. Whatever the case is, I haven't seen many GEDmatch results from that region. So based off that, it seems like they're pretty close.

By the way, this is only for North Romanians and Moldovans. South Romanians and Central Romanians are in a different cluster.

If you guys are sure about this, then I'll PM the mods and ask them to edit the OP. I just thought I'd wait for more opinions but nobody seems to have commented on that.

Dorkymon is from the northeast if I recall correctly. Note that the mdlp Romanian reference is terrible. I checked the spreadsheet, and they have 6% South Indian for Romania, so they clearly used some gypsy samples.

Here's what I got on the same calc:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 5.41
2 Serb_Serbia ( ) 6.36
3 Slovenian ( ) 6.39
4 Serb_BH ( ) 6.66
5 Croat ( ) 6.7
6 Hungarian ( ) 6.74
7 Bosnian ( ) 6.77
8 Czech ( ) 7.01
9 Montenegrian ( ) 7.38
10 Croat_BH ( ) 7.39
11 Slovak ( ) 7.73
12 Ukrainian_West ( ) 8.72
13 Bulgarian ( ) 9.4
14 Austrian ( ) 9.44
15 Macedonian ( ) 9.45
16 Kashub ( ) 9.65
17 Sorb ( ) 10.49
18 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 11.38
19 Ukrainian_East ( ) 11.88
20 German ( ) 11.91

[Mingle]

Dorkymon is from the northeast if I recall correctly. Note that the mdlp Romanian reference is terrible. I checked the spreadsheet, and they have 6% South Indian for Romania, so they clearly used some gypsy samples.

Here's what I got on the same calc:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 5.41
2 Serb_Serbia ( ) 6.36
3 Slovenian ( ) 6.39
4 Serb_BH ( ) 6.66
5 Croat ( ) 6.7
6 Hungarian ( ) 6.74
7 Bosnian ( ) 6.77
8 Czech ( ) 7.01
9 Montenegrian ( ) 7.38
10 Croat_BH ( ) 7.39
11 Slovak ( ) 7.73
12 Ukrainian_West ( ) 8.72
13 Bulgarian ( ) 9.4
14 Austrian ( ) 9.44
15 Macedonian ( ) 9.45
16 Kashub ( ) 9.65
17 Sorb ( ) 10.49
18 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 11.38
19 Ukrainian_East ( ) 11.88
20 German ( ) 11.91

Do you think you can you post your Eurogenes K13, Eurogenes K15, and Dodecad K12b?

It's possible that MDLP K23b just isn't a good calc for Europeans. Also, I've never seen a NW Romanian's results before so this'll be interesting.

[Sikeliot]

I really haven't seen many Ionian Greek samples. However I would cluster Cyclades with Central Greece and thus the Greek mainland (slight difference between this group and other Aegean Islanders). I would place Crete, north Aegean, Dodacanese in one grouping with Sicily and Malta. Overall your groupings for SE Europe are pretty spot on.

North Aegean, Cyclades both on average plot close to Maniots.

Ikaria, in the North Aegean island group is an exception as they tend to be the closest of all islands to Sicily's calculator average (which doesn't represent all Sicilians but is a good way of knowing Ikaria isn't mainland shifted).