Can Islam be Reformed? Poll!

[Petros Agapetos]

Can Islam be Reformed? Poll!

Islam has the doctrine of abrogation. The Qur'an has Meccan and Medinan verses. The Medinan passages, which are generally violent, were revealed to Muhammad after the Meccan passages. When there is a contradiction, the later fighting passages overrule the earlier more peaceful passages. That is why Islam is radical. If there were a doctrine of supra-abrogation whereby the earlier passages are considerred to overrule the later passages, Islam would be a lot more peaceful. Unfortunately, such a way of understanding the Qur'an could never be mainstreamed.

[Petros Agapetos]

The Qur'an is considerred Allah's divine speech (not Muhammad's). Whereas, Bible believing Christians do not make such a claim about the Bible. Rather, Christians believe that the Bible was written by people inspired by God, however Christians acknowledge that humans were involved in the transmission of the God's word. That is why exhortations to fight non-believers have such an impact on the Muslim. No human author is assumed to have been involved. Muslims believe that the Qur'an is the uncreated word of Allah that existed in paradise before Muhammad received the revelations, and that the angel Gabriel dictated this book verse by verse to Muhammad. Muhammad is not believed to have communicated with Allah directly. There are three eternal things in Islam. Allah, his book, and his throne. In Islam, it is mainstream to take the Quran literally. Muslims adhere closely to the Qur'an. In order to reform the religion, we must defang the religion, give them an interpretative tool that blunts the force of the passages exhorting Muslims to warfare against non-believers.

[Teutone]

Why you so obsessed with Islam? You turn to be a Peterski

[Petros Agapetos]

One can argue, in a way, Islam has already been reformed...

Have you heard of Wahabism?

Named after "Abdul Wahab", an Islamic reformer who thought that the Ottomans had strayed from true Islam by accepting non-Islamic innovations. So, he stripped Islam of outer influences, and produced an even more violent and supremacist stream of Islam. Because reform is often thought to be going back to the original sources and roots of the religion, any reform would be futile in my view, because the Qur'an alone is an inherently violent and supremacist book, not even counting any of the hadiths?

The Question is "Is any reform Islamically correct"?

[Maks Luburic]

I guess it´s nearly impossible. "Liberal Muslims" should join/convert to Christianity, like I did years ago.

[Crimson Winds]

You'll make me Muslim again with your dumbness and distortionist approach.

[Petros Agapetos]

I guess it´s nearly impossible. "Liberal Muslims" should join/convert to Christianity, like I did years ago.

I am glad to hear you have escaped from the clutches of Islam. I hope you are safe, as the death penalty lies on the head of all apostates from Islam. I think it would be easier to deconvert Muslims to atheism than teach them a different religion. I am an atheist, I don't have a religion. I don't believe in Christianity, so I could not convert a Muslim to Christianity, but I can help Muslims leave Islam.

In an Islamic state, people are put to death for things like apostasy, blasphemy, and criticizing Islam (by saying anything impermissible about the Qur'an, Muhammad, or Allah).

[Petros Agapetos]

[Petros Agapetos]

A possible way to reform Islam is to ignore the Hadith collections and only adhere to the Qur'an. Quranist (Qur'an only) Muslims are a minority. Orthodox Sunni and Shia Islam also follow the hadiths. Even if the Muslims only follow the Qur'an, therein they can find many prescriptions to fight non-believers, to subjugate Jews and Christians, to fight until religion is all for Allah, other such passages are in the Qur'an. One wouldn't get a peaceful religion out of it by a long shot. But still better than Orthodox Islam.

[Thorns]

You'll make me Muslim again with your dumbness and distortionist approach.

That makes a lot of sense...