MDLP K23b around Eastern Europe

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

K23b sucks, very innacurate.

[Cumansky]

The Bulgarian is more distant to Greeks than the Serb you posted. Interesting.

Bulgarian from Anthrogenica commented on this kit before..

"Yes, that's a Bulgarian result.
I guess a Bulgarian from North-West Bulgaria is in question due higher than average "Baltic" for Bulgarians."

[Cumansky]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x4wn27tvs8...iK23b.png?dl=0

MDLP K23b chart done by Ph2ter Croatian..

[Cumansky]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wzt5r9hy9s...3b_i3.png?dl=0

Better Version..

[Leto]

Husband - half Tatar from Tatarstan, half Russian from Tambov oblast

Spoiler!

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 41.19
2 Caucasian 25.69
3 European_Early_Farmers 8.14
4 Ancestral_Altaic 6.13
5 East_Siberian 3.64
6 South_Central_Asian 3.38
7 Tungus-Altaic 3.16
8 Paleo_Siberian 2.25
9 Amerindian 2.07
10 South_East_Asian 1.97
11 Archaic_African 0.91
12 East_African 0.46
13 South_Indian 0.42
14 Australoid 0.3
15 North_African 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moksha ( ) 4.04
2 Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) 4.32
3 Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) 4.6
4 Russian-West ( ) 5.39
5 Russian-North-West ( ) 5.54
6 Russian_North ( ) 5.59
7 Erzya ( ) 5.88
8 Balt ( ) 6.73
9 Mordovian ( ) 7.16
10 Russian_South ( ) 7.35
11 Russian_Vologda ( ) 7.41
12 Belarusian-East ( ) 7.43
13 Russian-North ( ) 7.67
14 Estonian ( ) 7.79
15 Tatar-Kazan ( ) 7.82
16 Latvian ( ) 7.89
17 Tatar-Mishar ( ) 8.07
18 Belarusian_West ( ) 8.07
19 Sorb ( ) 8.14
20 Belarusian_South ( ) 8.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.5% Russian-West ( ) + 37.5% Tatar-Kazan ( ) @ 3.32
2 51.6% Belarusian-East ( ) + 48.4% Tatar-Kazan ( ) @ 3.41
3 52.6% Belarusian-East ( ) + 47.4% Tatar-Mishar ( ) @ 3.42
4 63.7% Russian-West ( ) + 36.3% Tatar-Mishar ( ) @ 3.43
5 65% Ukrainian_West ( ) + 35% Chuvashs ( ) @ 3.46
6 88.5% Russian-West ( ) + 11.5% Tatar-Siberian ( ) @ 3.48
7 55.6% Tatar-Kazan ( ) + 44.4% Ukrainian_West ( ) @ 3.51
8 79.7% Belarusian-East ( ) + 20.3% Bashkir ( ) @ 3.52
9 82.9% Belarusian-East ( ) + 17.1% Tatar-Siberian ( ) @ 3.53
10 74.6% Ukrainian_West ( ) + 25.4% Bashkir ( ) @ 3.54
11 54.3% Tatar-Mishar ( ) + 45.7% Ukrainian_Center ( ) @ 3.56
12 86.4% Russian-West ( ) + 13.6% Bashkir ( ) @ 3.57
13 84.8% Erzya ( ) + 15.2% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) @ 3.58
14 57.3% Ukrainian_West ( ) + 42.7% Tatar ( ) @ 3.59
15 51% Tatar-Kazan ( ) + 49% Belarusian_West ( ) @ 3.59
16 74.9% Ukrainian_Center ( ) + 25.1% Bashkir ( ) @ 3.6
17 80.2% Russian-West ( ) + 19.8% Chuvashs ( ) @ 3.6
18 90.2% Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) + 9.8% Nogai ( ) @ 3.61
19 92.9% Russian-West ( ) + 7.1% Hakas ( ) @ 3.61
20 55.4% Tatar-Kazan ( ) + 44.6% Ukrainian_Center ( ) @ 3.62

Wife - Russian from Nizhny Novgorod oblast

Spoiler!

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 48.99
2 Caucasian 27.23
3 European_Early_Farmers 11.36
4 East_Siberian 2.79
5 Ancestral_Altaic 2.49
6 South_Central_Asian 2.32
7 South_Indian 2.13
8 Tungus-Altaic 1.13
9 Arctic 0.91
10 East_African 0.19
11 Austronesian 0.18
12 Australoid 0.16
13 Paleo_Siberian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sorb ( ) 3.59
2 Kashub ( ) 3.72
3 Slovak ( ) 4.74
4 Russian-North-West ( ) 4.77
5 Russian-West ( ) 4.85
6 Ukrainian_West ( ) 4.88
7 Russian_North ( ) 5.33
8 Belarusian-East ( ) 5.38
9 Belarusian_West ( ) 5.5
10 Russian_South ( ) 5.77
11 Czech ( ) 5.86
12 Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) 6.01
13 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 6.3
14 Ukrainian_East ( ) 6.38
15 Moksha ( ) 6.71
16 Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) 6.91
17 Don_cossack ( ) 7.08
18 Ukrainian ( ) 7.11
19 Belarusian_South ( ) 7.56
20 German ( ) 7.71

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.1% Czech ( ) + 32.9% Russian_Vologda ( ) @ 2.49
2 54.9% Czech ( ) + 45.1% Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) @ 2.61
3 54.1% Czech ( ) + 45.9% Moksha ( ) @ 2.62
4 67.8% Czech ( ) + 32.2% Russian-North ( ) @ 2.65
5 85.7% Russian-North-West ( ) + 14.3% Kosovar ( ) @ 2.65
6 77.1% Russian-North-West ( ) + 22.9% Serb_Serbia ( ) @ 2.66
7 57.1% Slovenian ( ) + 42.9% Russian_Vologda ( ) @ 2.77
8 56.5% Russian-West ( ) + 43.5% Czech ( ) @ 2.79
9 57.1% Russian-North-West ( ) + 42.9% Czech ( ) @ 2.8
10 57% Moksha ( ) + 43% Slovenian ( ) @ 2.8
11 85.4% Russian-North-West ( ) + 14.6% Greek_Northwest ( ) @ 2.81
12 76.1% Russian-North-West ( ) + 23.9% Serb_BH ( ) @ 2.82
13 79.5% Russian-North-West ( ) + 20.5% Montenegrian ( ) @ 2.83
14 56.8% Erzya ( ) + 43.2% Serb_BH ( ) @ 2.83
15 64.2% Czech ( ) + 35.8% Mordovian ( ) @ 2.85
16 59.7% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 40.3% Russian_Vologda ( ) @ 2.85
17 86.8% Russian-North-West ( ) + 13.2% Albanian_Tirana ( ) @ 2.85
18 61.6% Slovak ( ) + 38.4% Moksha ( ) @ 2.86
19 65.6% Russian-North-West ( ) + 34.4% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) @ 2.87
20 82.2% Russian-North-West ( ) + 17.8% Romanian ( ) @ 2.88

[Norka]

Mine
3/4 North Russian 1/4 Tatar

Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 45.98
2 Caucasian 24
3 European_Early_Farmers 8.25
4 Ancestral_Altaic 7.21
5 East_Siberian 5.07
6 South_Central_Asian 3.82
7 Tungus-Altaic 2.02
8 Paleo_Siberian 1.91
9 Near_East 0.72
10 Australoid 0.53
11 North_African 0.24
12 Austronesian 0.15
13 Archaic_Human 0.08
14 Melano_Polynesian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Erzya ( ) 3.39
2 Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) 3.97
3 Moksha ( ) 4.96
4 Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) 5.28
5 Russian-North ( ) 5.46
6 Russian-Ural ( ) 6.39
7 Russian_Vologda ( ) 6.52
8 Russian-North-West ( ) 6.55
9 Tatar-Mishar ( ) 6.63
10 Tatar-Kazan ( ) 6.68
11 Russian_North ( ) 6.91
12 Russian-West ( ) 7.18
13 Balt ( ) 7.38
14 Estonian ( ) 7.41
15 Latvian ( ) 8.28
16 Finnish_FIN ( ) 8.37
17 Mordovian ( ) 8.67
18 Finnish-East ( ) 9.06
19 Finn_East ( ) 9.14
20 Tatar_Kryashen ( ) 9.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.7% Kashub ( ) + 41.3% Chuvashs ( ) @ 1.79
2 59.3% Sorb ( ) + 40.7% Chuvashs ( ) @ 2.02
3 62.6% Kashub ( ) + 37.4% Chuvash ( ) @ 2.08
4 85.6% Finnish-East ( ) + 14.4% Ossetian ( ) @ 2.11
5 84.9% Finnish-East ( ) + 15.1% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 2.18
6 55.3% Slovak ( ) + 44.7% Chuvashs ( ) @ 2.21
7 84.6% Finnish-East ( ) + 15.4% Circassian ( ) @ 2.23
8 84.7% Finnish-East ( ) + 15.3% Adygei ( ) @ 2.24
9 84.8% Finnish-East ( ) + 15.2% Balkar ( ) @ 2.25
10 83.6% Finnish-East ( ) + 16.4% Kabardin ( ) @ 2.29
11 51.2% Tatar ( ) + 48.8% Kashub ( ) @ 2.3
12 87.3% Finnish-East ( ) + 12.7% Kakheti ( ) @ 2.34
13 82.9% Finnish-East ( ) + 17.1% Kumyk ( ) @ 2.36
14 82.3% Finnish-East ( ) + 17.7% Cirkassian ( ) @ 2.36
15 88.2% Finnish-East ( ) + 11.8% Abkhasian ( ) @ 2.37
16 88.4% Finnish-East ( ) + 11.6% Georgian ( ) @ 2.38
17 84.5% Finn_East ( ) + 15.5% Circassian ( ) @ 2.39
18 83.6% Finnish_FIN ( ) + 16.4% Cirkassian ( ) @ 2.39
19 58.5% Kashub ( ) + 41.5% Komi ( ) @ 2.4
20 50.6% Tatar ( ) + 49.4% Sorb ( ) @ 2.42

[Kaspias]

Bulgarian from Anthrogenica commented on this kit before..

"Yes, that's a Bulgarian result.
I guess a Bulgarian from North-West Bulgaria is in question due higher than average "Baltic" for Bulgarians."

Bulgarian reference is not accurate, definitely. I got Czech before Bulgarian.

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian ( ) 8.26
2 Croat ( ) 8.5
3 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 8.52
4 Serb_BH ( ) 8.54
5 Croat_BH ( ) 8.55
6 Serb_Serbia ( ) 9.11
7 Montenegrian ( ) 9.22
8 Czech ( ) 9.36
9 Ukrainian_West ( ) 9.43
10 Slovak ( ) 9.62
11 Slovenian ( ) 9.75
12 Hungarian ( ) 9.82
13 Macedonian ( ) 10.42
14 Bulgarian ( ) 10.58

[Lucas]

Bulgarian reference is not accurate, definitely. I got Czech before Bulgarian.

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian ( ) 8.26
2 Croat ( ) 8.5
3 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 8.52
4 Serb_BH ( ) 8.54
5 Croat_BH ( ) 8.55
6 Serb_Serbia ( ) 9.11
7 Montenegrian ( ) 9.22
8 Czech ( ) 9.36
9 Ukrainian_West ( ) 9.43
10 Slovak ( ) 9.62
11 Slovenian ( ) 9.75
12 Hungarian ( ) 9.82
13 Macedonian ( ) 10.42
14 Bulgarian ( ) 10.58

Hungarian before Serb for you is also strange.

MDLP has huge database of references which nobody have, even Davidski. But its model isn't the best.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 37.54
2 Caucasian 30.15
3 European_Early_Farmers 19.3
4 South_Central_Asian 5.2
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.71
6 Amerindian 1.09
7 North_African 0.81
8 Near_East 0.73
9 Melano_Polynesian 0.65
10 Khoisan 0.39
11 South_East_Asian 0.33
12 Austronesian 0.07
13 Paleo_Siberian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

1 Slovenian ( ) 4.97
2 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 4.99
3 Serb_Serbia ( ) 5.12
4 Hungarian ( ) 5.21
5 Czech ( ) 6.78
6 Serb_BH ( ) 7.31
7 Croat ( ) 7.35
8 Austrian ( ) 7.41
9 Bosnian ( ) 7.57
10 Montenegrian ( ) 7.81
11 Slovak ( ) 8.02
12 Croat_BH ( ) 8.52
13 Kashub ( ) 9.47
14 Ukrainian_West ( ) 9.78
15 Bulgarian ( ) 10.04
16 Italian_North ( ) 10.66
17 Macedonian ( ) 10.71
18 Sorb ( ) 10.76
19 German ( ) 10.93
20 German_East ( ) 11.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 78.2% Swede ( ) + 21.8% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.72
2 79.8% Dane ( ) + 20.2% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 2.07
3 74% Swede ( ) + 26% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 2.22
4 82.6% North_German ( ) + 17.4% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 2.31
5 61.3% Swede ( ) + 38.7% Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) @ 2.35
6 89.2% Austrian ( ) + 10.8% Abkhasian ( ) @ 2.4
7 82% North_German ( ) + 18% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 2.4
8 89.8% Austrian ( ) + 10.2% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 2.43
9 77.2% Serb_Serbia ( ) + 22.8% Swede_Saami ( ) @ 2.45
10 82.7% Austrian ( ) + 17.3% Cirkassian ( ) @ 2.47
11 77.5% Swede ( ) + 22.5% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 2.47
12 75.9% Dane ( ) + 24.1% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 2.49
13 63.6% Dane ( ) + 36.4% Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) @ 2.5
14 90.1% Austrian ( ) + 9.9% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 2.51
15 89.8% Austrian ( ) + 10.2% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 2.52
16 85.8% Austrian ( ) + 14.2% Adygei ( ) @ 2.52
17 89.4% Austrian ( ) + 10.6% Georgian ( ) @ 2.53
18 86% Austrian ( ) + 14% Balkar ( ) @ 2.54
19 90.3% Austrian ( ) + 9.7% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 2.55
20 77.7% Swede ( ) + 22.3% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 2.57

[Leto]

...

By the way, these are Arhat's results (as he sent them to me, I don't have his #)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 40.48
2 Caucasian 26.17
3 South_Central_Asian 11.83
4 European_Early_Farmers 5.44
5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.30
6 South_Indian 4.36
7 Paleo_Siberian 1.66
8 Melano_Polynesian 1.50
9 South_East_Asian 1.15


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moksha_ @ 9.841570
2 Tatar-Mishar_ @ 12.639581
3 Tatar-Kazan_ @ 13.163104
4 Tatar_Mishar_ @ 13.369657
5 Erzya_ @ 13.709543
6 Russian_Meshtchyora_ @ 14.058496
7 Czech_ @ 15.176226
8 Ukrainian_West_ @ 15.255019
9 Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 15.361963
10 Russian_North_ @ 15.420153
11 Slovak_ @ 15.471614
12 Russian-Ural_ @ 15.495179
13 Russian-Upper-Volga_ @ 15.783224
14 Hungarian_Budapest_ @ 16.045797
15 Swede_Saami_ @ 16.065596
16 Mordovian_ @ 16.163445
17 German_ @ 16.433002
18 Tatar_ @ 16.533308
19 Russian_South_ @ 16.575651
20 Russian-West_ @ 16.644251

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian_ +50% Tajik_Yagnobi_ @ 6.899215

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian-East_ +25% Moksha_ +25% Pashtun_Afghani_ @ 3.217068

His Afghan grandfather was from Kabul. His father is half Russian from Southern Russia. His mother is from Eastern Ukraine but half Russian with distant German roots.