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    Default Hallstatt Celt DA112, 850-700 BC

    As I mentioned in my previous thread about DA199, next I was going to upload DA112:

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...n-1224-1264-AD

    DA112 is the other Hallstatt Bylany (the first is DA111 which was already on GEDmatch):

    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map...0.4720/14.3943

    According to what Davidski wrote in the link below, DA112 has some Eastern influences:

    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/0...hallstatt.html

    I just uploaded it to GEDmatch Genesis and there is some Mongoloid but only "trace level":

    Kit number LA2887022 - DA112 Hallstatt Celtic

    Eurogenes K36:

    Population
    Amerindian 0.51 Pct
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 5.37 Pct
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 5.82 Pct
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 10.59 Pct
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 11.15 Pct
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 11.92 Pct
    Fennoscandian 2.43 Pct
    French 1.47 Pct
    Iberian 17.49 Pct

    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 8.46 Pct
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 11.92 Pct
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 12.37 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese 0.50 Pct
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med -

    Similarity map:



    Austria & Bretagne are on top:



    Compare to similarity map for the other Hallstatt sample (DA111):

    Spoiler!


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    Eurogenes K15 for Hallstatt DA112 (Cornwall + Galicia, but with large distance):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galici...urope)#History

    Spoiler!

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Southwest_English +50% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.624954


    MDLP K23b for Hallstatt DA112:

    Single Population Sharing:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Belgian ( ) 5.15


    MDLP K16 for Hallstatt DA112:

    Single Population Sharing:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) 4.41


    My Y-DNA haplogroup - R1b-Z2552>L617 - is common in Cornwall, incidentally.
    Last edited by Peterski; 02-01-2019 at 03:26 PM. Reason: Eurogenes K15 results added

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    Eurogenes K13:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 38.92
    2 Baltic 32.48
    3 West_Med 18.46
    4 East_Med 6.51
    5 Amerindian 1.96
    6 Oceanian 1.17

    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 East_German @ 7.839272
    2 Austrian @ 9.298747
    3 Hungarian @ 12.197077
    4 West_German @ 13.646287
    5 South_Dutch @ 13.746942
    6 North_Swedish @ 14.801031
    7 North_German @ 14.877313
    8 Swedish @ 15.344375
    9 Croatian @ 15.525110
    10 South_Polish @ 16.193487
    11 Southeast_English @ 16.253077
    12 Danish @ 16.421234
    13 North_Dutch @ 16.518303
    14 French @ 17.040289
    15 Norwegian @ 17.140598
    16 Orcadian @ 17.209940
    17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.609632
    18 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 17.953915
    19 Ukrainian @ 18.191841
    20 Southwest_English @ 18.251289

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Estonian +50% Southwest_French @ 3.947282

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Estonian +25% Southwest_French +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.883397

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Estonian + Estonian + Southwest_French + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.883397
    2 Estonian + Estonian + Southwest_French + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.942910
    3 Estonian + Estonian + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 3.947282
    4 Estonian + Estonian + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.962281
    5 Estonian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.989081
    6 Lithuanian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 4.025970
    7 Estonian + Estonian + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.029839
    8 French_Basque + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.063773
    9 Estonian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.109277
    10 Estonian + Estonian + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.124732
    11 Belorussian + Estonian + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 4.154979
    12 Estonian + Estonian + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.162164
    13 French_Basque + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.192524
    14 Lithuanian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.212219
    15 Estonian + Estonian + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.217822
    16 Estonian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.225721
    17 Estonian + Estonian + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.226249
    18 Lithuanian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_French + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.228735
    19 Estonian + Estonian + Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.241217
    20 Estonian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.249210

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    MDLP K16 Modern:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Neolithic 30.63
    2 NorthEastEuropean 29.77
    3 Steppe 24.25
    4 Caucasian 12.48
    5 SouthEastAsian 2.02
    6 EastAfrican 0.71
    7 Subsaharian 0.09
    8 Amerindian 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) 4.41
    2 Icelandic (Iceland) 4.5
    3 Norwegian (Norwegia) 4.61
    4 English (Kent) 5.05
    5 Scottish (Argyll_bute) 5.39
    6 English (Cornwall) 5.39
    7 Irish (Ulster) 5.92
    8 Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) 6.14
    9 Irish (Connacht) 6.15
    10 Scottish (Highlands) 6.57
    11 Irish (Cork_Kerry) 6.71
    12 Irish (Leinster) 6.92
    13 French (WestFrance) 6.97
    14 Swede (Sweden) 6.98
    15 Scottish (Borders) 6.99
    16 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 7.15
    17 Irish (Munster) 7.23
    18 Scottish (Grampian) 7.29
    19 English (England) 7.32
    20 Scottish (Fife) 7.63

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 64.6% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 35.4% Basque (France) @ 2.53
    2 84.8% Icelandic (Iceland) + 15.2% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 2.67
    3 88.2% Icelandic (Iceland) + 11.8% Basque (Spain) @ 2.72
    4 84.7% Icelandic (Iceland) + 15.3% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.72
    5 84.6% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 15.4% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 2.78
    6 87.8% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 12.2% Basque (France) @ 2.8
    7 88.2% Icelandic (Iceland) + 11.8% Basque (France) @ 2.8
    8 84.5% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 15.5% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.86
    9 60.3% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 39.7% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.89
    10 62.8% Russians-West (WestRussian) + 37.2% Basque (France) @ 3.08
    11 83.4% Icelandic (Iceland) + 16.6% Spanish (Cantabria) @ 3.14
    12 59.1% Estonian (Estonia) + 40.9% French (SouthFrance) @ 3.16
    13 60.9% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) + 39.1% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 3.17
    14 91.8% Icelandic (Iceland) + 8.2% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 3.17
    15 83.9% Icelandic (Iceland) + 16.1% Spanish (Aragon) @ 3.22
    16 58.5% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 41.5% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 3.23
    17 58% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 42% French (SouthFrance) @ 3.26
    18 67.7% Belarusian (Belarus) + 32.3% Basque (France) @ 3.26
    19 54.5% Latvian_Cesis (Cesis) + 45.5% French (SouthFrance) @ 3.27
    20 65.8% Estonian (Estonia) + 34.2% Basque (France) @ 3.27

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    Where was he excavated from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Where was he excavated from?
    Czech Republic, Bylany - in the same place as the other Hallstatt.

    MDLP K23b:

    Kit LA2887022

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 40.82
    2 European_Early_Farmers 27.66
    3 Caucasian 20.87
    4 Ancestral_Altaic 5.35
    5 Amerindian 2.06
    6 Australoid 1.21
    7 North_African 0.89
    8 Tungus-Altaic 0.7
    9 East_African 0.43
    10 South_Central_Asian 0.01

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Belgian ( ) 5.15
    2 English ( ) 6.36

    3 Swede ( ) 6.4
    4 Norwegian_East ( ) 6.57
    5 North_European ( ) 6.63
    6 Frisian ( ) 6.65
    7 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 6.81
    8 Dane ( ) 7.12
    9 Irish ( ) 7.45
    10 Dutch ( ) 7.56
    11 North_German ( ) 7.92
    12 Norwegian_West ( ) 8.1
    13 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 8.1
    14 South_German ( ) 8.1
    15 CEU ( ) 8.33
    16 British ( ) 8.73
    17 Welsh ( ) 9.1
    18 German-Volga ( ) 9.22
    19 Icelandic ( ) 10.16
    20 French ( ) 11.03

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 77% Swede ( ) + 23% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) @ 4.35
    2 95.6% Belgian ( ) + 4.4% Cree ( ) @ 4.41
    3 93.7% Belgian ( ) + 6.3% Mexican ( ) @ 4.42
    4 93% Belgian ( ) + 7% Tsimsian ( ) @ 4.42
    5 97% Belgian ( ) + 3% Apache ( ) @ 4.42
    6 74.3% Finn_West ( ) + 25.7% Sardinian ( ) @ 4.42
    7 96.9% Belgian ( ) + 3.1% Navajo ( ) @ 4.42
    8 96.2% Belgian ( ) + 3.8% Chilote ( ) @ 4.43
    9 94.8% Belgian ( ) + 5.2% Serrano ( ) @ 4.43
    10 95.7% Belgian ( ) + 4.3% Algonquin ( ) @ 4.44
    11 96.4% Belgian ( ) + 3.6% Kumiai ( ) @ 4.44
    12 97.2% Belgian ( ) + 2.8% Luiseno ( ) @ 4.44
    13 97.3% Belgian ( ) + 2.7% Quechua_Peru ( ) @ 4.44
    14 97.3% Belgian ( ) + 2.7% Bolivian_Cochabamba ( ) @ 4.44
    15 96.7% Belgian ( ) + 3.3% Cucupa ( ) @ 4.44
    16 97.2% Belgian ( ) + 2.8% Bolivian_Pando ( ) @ 4.45
    17 95.4% Belgian ( ) + 4.6% Ojibwa ( ) @ 4.45
    18 97.4% Belgian ( ) + 2.6% Totonac ( ) @ 4.45
    19 97.4% Belgian ( ) + 2.6% Pima ( ) @ 4.45
    20 97.4% Belgian ( ) + 2.6% Mixtec ( ) @ 4.45

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    I'm assuming that was a chick?


    DA111:
    mtDNA: H6a1a
    Y-DNA: R1b-U152

    DA112:
    mtDNA: HV0+195

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    I'm assuming that was a chick?

    DA111:
    mtDNA: H6a1a
    Y-DNA: R1b-U152

    DA112:
    mtDNA: HV0+195
    It is DA112. The other one (DA111) was on GEDmatch already before, someone else had uploaded it.

    For some reason the person who uploaded DA111 did not upload DA112. Why? What is controversial?
    Last edited by Peterski; 02-02-2019 at 10:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    What is controversial?
    maybe, like the Illyrian sample that was deleted

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    Dodecad K12b Oracle results:
    The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

    Kit LA2887022

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_European 44.54
    2 Atlantic_Med 37.54
    3 Caucasus 9.45
    4 Gedrosia 3.99
    5 East_Asian 2.07
    6 Southwest_Asian 1.6
    7 Sub_Saharan 0.82

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 German (Dodecad) 6.64
    2 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 7.28
    3 Dutch (Dodecad) 7.47
    4 Kent (1000Genomes) 9.29
    5 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 9.34
    6 English (Dodecad) 9.5
    7 British_Isles (Dodecad) 9.85
    8 French (Dodecad) 10.36
    9 French (HGDP) 10.75
    10 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 11.58
    11 British (Dodecad) 11.65
    12 Orkney (1000Genomes) 12.15
    13 Irish (Dodecad) 12.31
    14 Hungarians (Behar) 12.31
    15 Argyll (1000Genomes) 12.34
    16 Orcadian (HGDP) 12.38
    17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 13.46
    18 Swedish (Dodecad) 14.72
    19 Romanians (Behar) 22.64
    20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 22.81

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 61.8% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 38.2% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 2.51
    2 57.4% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 42.6% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 2.54
    3 56.6% Valencia (1000Genomes) + 43.4% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.88
    4 58.4% Valencia (1000Genomes) + 41.6% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.92
    5 69.4% French (HGDP) + 30.6% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.95
    6 62.3% Cataluna (1000Genomes) + 37.7% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 3.01
    7 60.2% Spaniards (Behar) + 39.8% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 3.02
    8 57.9% Cantabria (1000Genomes) + 42.1% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 3.02
    9 60.6% Cataluna (1000Genomes) + 39.4% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 3.03
    10 74.2% French (HGDP) + 25.8% Belorussian (Behar) @ 3.04
    11 75.1% French (HGDP) + 24.9% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.09
    12 56% Aragon (1000Genomes) + 44% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 3.11
    13 61.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 38.7% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 3.14
    14 72.4% French (HGDP) + 27.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 3.15
    15 59.7% Cantabria (1000Genomes) + 40.3% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 3.18
    16 77.2% French (HGDP) + 22.8% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 3.21
    17 58% Russian_B (Behar) + 42% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 3.22
    18 53.2% Polish (Dodecad) + 46.8% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 3.23
    19 51.9% Polish (Dodecad) + 48.1% Cantabria (1000Genomes) @ 3.24
    20 50.8% Cataluna (1000Genomes) + 49.2% Polish (Dodecad) @ 3.26

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 61.8% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 38.2% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 2.51
    2 57.4% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 42.6% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 2.54
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