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Thread: Hallstatt Celt DA112, 850-700 BC

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    I wonder why was DA112 "censored" by that person who uploaded DA111 (I mean: why did he choose to upload DA111 but not DA112)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Or maybe they just could not read his Y-DNA haplogroup?

    I'm getting a read: Y-DNA hg G2a2b2a1b1a1b1 (CTS4803)
    Makes sense, CTS4803 is completely Western Euro branch (unlike L43> which exist in whole Europe).

    Is this sample from some new study?
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Croatian +50% Serbian @ 2.265001

    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer
    how come the age of I2a2 Din subclade exactly coincides with the age of Bosnian Pyramids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tschaikisten View Post
    Is this sample from some new study?
    From Damgaard 2018, "137 ancient human genomes from across the Eurasian steppes":

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0094-2

    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    So during the Iron Age Central Europe was more 'Western' genetically than it is now.
    Yes, but still this DA112 has quite high (75) similarity to modern Czechs, meaning that there is a Celtic substrate in Czech Republic.

    Slavic migration assimilated some Celts (also it explains my Y-DNA haplogroup, I guess).

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    Very interesting. The areas of higher similarity match the Celtic spread from Central Europe towards the west, although it is quite interesting the high similarity found between this Hallstatt sample and Insular Celts. I would expect the Irish and the British to be a little more divergent due to their indigenous pre-Celtic input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Do you have a map showing modern distribution of this clade?
    There are at least 80 of us on Serbian DNA Project (public and non-public results) who belongs to L42>YSC33>Y128028.
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Croatian +50% Serbian @ 2.265001

    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer
    how come the age of I2a2 Din subclade exactly coincides with the age of Bosnian Pyramids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Do you have a map showing modern distribution of this clade?
    Ask tscheikisten. He is the same Subclade as the Hallstatt Celt. I think he has a matches map from ftdna

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    DA112 isn't a pure Celt, he is clearly mixed with Scythians. DA111 is a pure Celt and most similar to Western Europeans in general.


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    Scythians near modern German/Czech border ??? That is too far to the west than any Scythians ever got.

    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    DA111 is a pure Celt
    I doubt it, because he seems mixed with some Non-Celtic wogs based on his results (too southern-shifted).

    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    mixed with Scythians
    0.5 percent South Chinese in K36 is not much, it is autistic to pay attention to such microscopic admixtures.

    Your average "White Brazilian" has much more of Amerind & SSA blood than that guy had of Scythian blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    From Damgaard 2018, "137 ancient human genomes from across the Eurasian steppes":

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0094-2



    Yes, but still this DA112 has quite high (75) similarity to modern Czechs, meaning that there is a Celtic substrate in Czech Republic.

    Slavic migration assimilated some Celts (also it explains my Y-DNA haplogroup, I guess).
    I think there isn't plink dataset for it, public available;/

    If in this paper was Scythian from Hungary maybe?
    K36 Ancestral Report and Chromosomal Analysis / G25 Maps
    https://www.lm-genetics.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukaszM View Post
    I think there isn't plink dataset for it, public available
    I processed it from ENA. Where is available the PLINK dataset with this sample?

    Edit:

    Ah, you said there isn't. Yes, I could not find it either. But BAM files are available.

    Quote Originally Posted by LukaszM View Post
    If in this paper was Scythian from Hungary maybe?
    Yes, including one which was in fact a Medieval Hungarian as C14 dating showed.

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