Goths

[Slavic Italian]

These are the Germanic tribes that pretty much led to the fall of Rome or had significant influence in its decline. Their origins somewhat a mystery. It looks to me they were most likely ancestors of the Prussians and today's east Germans and even more likely the early Slavs. Discuss.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths

[Ayetooey]

Serb tribe Macure, which has origins in Montenegro and Y dna I1, claims to have Ostrogoth heritage.

"From a chronological perspective, one can conclude that the Macura clan arrived on the Balkans among one of the groups of the early Germanic tribes that left its northern territories, and moved toward acquiring territories in the east of Europe, and in this manner came to the Black Sea. Given that the four Serbian Macuras (with origins from Dalmatia and Srpska) have tested their haplogroups and obtained identical results, one can readily conclude that they originate from the very same ancestor from the distant past. That ancestor probably belonged to haplogroup I1 Z63 originating from northern Europe, that is, from Sweden (Gotland), Denmark and Northern Germany.


"Taking into consideration the confirmed DNA of genealogical origin, and the understanding of the movements of the Goths and other Germanic clans, it is most probable that the Macuras’ early ancestors arrived in Montenegro during the disintegration of the Western Roman Empire, that is, during the attack of the Ostrogoths on the Roman province of Praevalis, during the year 476 AD. One year earlier the Visigoths had overtaken Rome and in doing so had ended the Western Roman Empire. The Ostrogoths, the eastern brothers of the Visigoths, were mainly concentrated in the Balkans, or more precisely, in Montenegro and Dalmatia.".

[Proto-Shaman]

Germanic people were living in the Far East as close relatives of the nomadic Türks. WW1 portraits of German soldiers confirm this. Germans are Huns, or at least they were. Atilla was a Gothic name btw. His father, Mundzhuk, had Turkic name.

[Slavic Italian]

Serb tribe Macure, which has origins in Montenegro and Y dna I1, claims to have Ostrogoth heritage.

"From a chronological perspective, one can conclude that the Macura clan arrived on the Balkans among one of the groups of the early Germanic tribes that left its northern territories, and moved toward acquiring territories in the east of Europe, and in this manner came to the Black Sea. Given that the four Serbian Macuras (with origins from Dalmatia and Srpska) have tested their haplogroups and obtained identical results, one can readily conclude that they originate from the very same ancestor from the distant past. That ancestor probably belonged to haplogroup I1 Z63 originating from northern Europe, that is, from Sweden (Gotland), Denmark and Northern Germany.


"Taking into consideration the confirmed DNA of genealogical origin, and the understanding of the movements of the Goths and other Germanic clans, it is most probable that the Macuras’ early ancestors arrived in Montenegro during the disintegration of the Western Roman Empire, that is, during the attack of the Ostrogoths on the Roman province of Praevalis, during the year 476 AD. One year earlier the Visigoths had overtaken Rome and in doing so had ended the Western Roman Empire. The Ostrogoths, the eastern brothers of the Visigoths, were mainly concentrated in the Balkans, or more precisely, in Montenegro and Dalmatia.".

Some of them were also R1a and R1b so that adds some confusion. The R1a leads me to believe they mixed with Slavic tribes like the Wends.

[Slavic Italian]

Germanic people were living in the Far East as close relatives of the nomadic Türks. WW1 portraits of German soldiers confirm this. Germans are Huns, or at least they were. Atilla was a Gothic name btw. His father, Mundzhuk, had Turkic name.

There is more to it that that. There were Volga Germans who were immigrants in a nutshell. Modern Germans are a mix of various ancient Germanic tribes.

[Ayetooey]

Some of them were also R1a and R1b so that adds some confusion. The R1a leads me to believe they mixed with Slavic tribes like the Wends.

What clades of R1a? There is scandanavian Germanic clades of R1a. "R1a-L664" is connected to Norse vikings as an example. I don't doubt some Slavic R1a clades existed within them though, just like Slavs can carry Germanic Y dna clades.

R1b makes sense; most would be I1 or R1b-u106.

[Slavic Italian]

What clades of R1a? There is scandanavian Germanic clades of R1a. "R1a-L664" is connected to Norse vikings as an example. I don't doubt some Slavic R1a clades existed within them though, just like Slavs can carry Germanic Y dna clades.

R1b makes sense; most would be I1 or R1b-u106.

By the time they made it to Italy they were probably a Scandanavian, german, and Slavic mix. That is why they find DNA from three different haplogroups. I also doubt they all went to Spain. I believe they went different directions with some remaining in Italy and others heading back north having a hand in the emergence of Prussia. They were warriors. Warriors do not change.

[Ayetooey]

By the time they made it to Italy they were probably a Scandanavian, german, and Slavic mix. That is why they find DNA from three different haplogroups. I also doubt they all went to Spain. I believe they went different directions with some remaining in Italy and others heading back north having a hand in the emergence of Prussia.

This is likely as they were part of the Cheryakhov culture, which was a fusion of Sarmatian, Slavic, Gothic, and Dacian. They probably carried clades of I2 also.

[Slavic Italian]

This is likely as they were part of the Cheryakhov culture, which was a fusion of Sarmatian, Slavic, Gothic, and Dacian. They probably carried clades of I2 also.

This leads me to believe that modern Slavs also have significant Goth DNA. I think this is why you have seen so many Germanic-Slavic wars. They are too much alike and for good reason. The Slavs a little more rugged.

The Chernyakhov culture territorially replaced its predecessor, the Zarubintsy culture. Both cultures were discovered by the Austrian-Russian archaeologist, Vikentiy Khvoyka, who conducted numerous excavations around Kiev and its vicinity.

Some of the autochthonous elements persist, and become even more widespread, after the demise of the Gothic elite – a phenomenon associated with the rise and expansion of the early Slavs.

[Ayetooey]

This leads me to believe that modern Slavs also have significant Goth DNA. I think this is why you have seen so many Germanic-Slavic wars. They are too much alike and for good reason. The Slavs a little more rugged.

The Chernyakhov culture territorially replaced its predecessor, the Zarubintsy culture. Both cultures were discovered by the Austrian-Russian archaeologist, Vikentiy Khvoyka, who conducted numerous excavations around Kiev and its vicinity.

Hopefully some ancient Ostrogoth samples will be found eventually.