Goths

[Cumansky]

Basal I2 is way back dude and ancestral to all I2, the Motala Sweden and the Norwegian I2a1b kits are the immediate ancestor of i2a1b-dinaric which implies recent northern origin.

You have different clade than me

By the way what you said is contradiction..

[Ayetooey]

You have different clade than me

By the way what you said is contradiction..

What is your clade. I2a din north? I am din south.

Din south is a recent mutation, all i2a dinaric north or south comes from the clade the motala sample holds.

[Cumansky]

What is your clade. I2a din north? I am din south.

Din south is a recent mutation, all i2a dinaric north or south comes from the clade the motala sample holds.

Listen bruh, you atleast half redneck

[Ayetooey]

Listen bruh, you atleast half redneck

What does that have to do with Y dna? Unlike you I'm part of several Y dna projects, follow blog posts and new big y 700 results. I am actually up to date with the origins of my Y dna. You can't keep on posting basal I2 in an attempt to connect it to i2a1b which is way down the tree ancestrally. Motala i2a is its immediate ancestor.

[lonewolfcypriot]

are you talking about that weird thase where white kids dress up as clowns in high school

[Cumansky]

What does that have to do with Y dna? Unlike you I'm part of several Y dna projects, follow blog posts and new big y 700 results. I am actually up to date with the origins of my Y dna. You can't keep on posting basal I2 in an attempt to connect it to i2a1b which is way down the tree ancestrally. Motala i2a is its immediate ancestor.

I2 project since 2015

[TheOldNorth]

Germanic people were living in the Far East as close relatives of the nomadic Türks. WW1 portraits of German soldiers confirm this. Germans are Huns, or at least they were. Atilla was a Gothic name btw. His father, Mundzhuk, had Turkic name.

Germans are not the same as Huns, they likely however contributed to the hunnic hordes. The Germans originated from the corded ware culture of scandinavia. There's a big difference!

[Proto-Shaman]

Germans are not the same as Huns, they likely however contributed to the hunnic hordes. The Germans originated from the corded ware culture of scandinavia. There's a big difference!

I see no difference between Oghurs and Germanics.

Corded Ware:

[Varda]

Older (medieval) name of Nikšić the second largest city in Montenegro was Onogošt https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikšić
Onogošt came from Anagastum, which was name one of the Gothic leaders from the period of Gothic presence in area.

[protos]

These are the Germanic tribes that pretty much led to the fall of Rome or had significant influence in its decline. Their origins somewhat a mystery. It looks to me they were most likely ancestors of the Prussians and today's east Germans and even more likely the early Slavs. Discuss.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths

My theory is that population of once controlled Roman lands remained more or less Roman-like until 13th or 14th century. Then after Black Death plague and death of nearly 50% of Europe's population (mostly in central Europe) the doors were opened for northern Europeans to inhabit the more southern parts. Some Slavs previously inhabited the Balkans (7th century) after similar events in Eastern Roman empire (also a bubonic plague in 4th century), and there were some Goths in Italy and Spain but not enough to change the population. This probably occured after the plague.