Male Height vs. % Steppe Ancestry in Europe

**Peterski** · 11-28-2017, 12:17 AM

Source: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ddzg6q5e14...20Genomics.pdf

**~~Hamlet~~** · 11-28-2017, 12:18 AM

How does this fit in with the fact that CM were huge? I would have thought that would have prevented such a clear correlation as this

**Dick** · 11-28-2017, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Hamlet

How does this fit in with the fact that CM were huge? I would have thought that would have prevented such a clear correlation as this

They are missing some populations.

**~~Hamlet~~** · 11-28-2017, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Dick

They are missing some populations.

That's a different graph

**Peterski** · 11-28-2017, 12:50 PM

What is interesting is that Ukraine has a high Steppe % and a high I-M170 %, but still manages to be rather short.

This is due to malnutrition and poverty. They need to accept Polish rules, we will feed them and they will grow tall.

**~~Hamlet~~** · 11-28-2017, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by El Litvino

What is interesting is that Ukraine has a high Steppe % and a high I-M170 %, but still manages to be rather short.

This is due to malnutrition and poverty. They need to accept Polish rules, we will feed them and they will grow tall.

I think it's just because they have a lot of Med too lol, isn't Ukraine super flat and really good for farming?

**Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas** · 11-28-2017, 01:15 PM

What this graphic proves is that Steppe Ancestry has little to nothing to do with your height.

**~~LoLeL~~** · 11-28-2017, 01:18 PM

Interesting, but why the steppe ancestry didn't increase the height in Asia?

**Peterski** · 11-28-2017, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Brommando

Interesting, but why the steppe ancestry didn't increase the height in Asia?

East Asians are descended from local Neolithic farmers, not from Steppe pastoralists.

Han Chinese = Gracile Yellow See people, just like Sardinians = Gracile Mediterranean.

**Token** · 11-28-2017, 01:41 PM

Yes, there's a correlation and it was already shown by multiple peer-reviewed studies. After mixing with early farmers and the consequent adoption of a sedentary lifestyle, the 'genetic height' of Europeans decreased significantly but, during the Bronze Age, corresponding with the Steppe introgression and the emergence of Indo-European haplogroups, at least in Western Europe, there was a significant subsequent increase and this was constated in Portugal and Ireland.