Who'll win an "All Out" War; the Iberian Union or the Ottoman Caliphate?

[Teutone]

Ottomans were in fact more powerful then any country in the world from 15 - 17 century.

Mix of Turkic Soldiers + Ottoman Greek Hellenic technology and science = Win Win

1683

[Bosniensis]

Hard truth

But ottomans got people that used to be their slaves see them as gods known as bosniaks, this is a ultimate domination that gotta be respected.

You are not even remotely of any relevance for Balkan and Anatolian people.

Your opinion, Your invented stories, history, etc...

So called "Greeks" know very well who Ottomans are and who Ottomans were.


"During the 16th century, the Portuguese used "rume" and "rumes" (plural) as a generic term to refer to the Mamluk-Ottoman forces they faced then in the Indian Ocean.[3]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%BBm

[Tigranes]

The Byzantines were already sacked by Latin Crusaders and gutted by a plague by the time the Turks invaded Constantinople, basically a dying entity by the time Mehmed the Conqueror attacked.

[The Lawspeaker]

1683

Back then the HRE wasn't in another war. Ooh a Turkish-Spanish war in around 1600 would have brought the HRE in as well. Habsburg being Habsburg. I can imagine Europe totally blowing up now. Make it a Thirty Years' War 18 years before it actually happened and with the Ottomans being drawn in, it would be a total massacre (those 5 -13 million dead that died in the Thirty Years War and that 80 percent of Central Europe reduced to a howling wilderness - make it much of Europe as well as the Ottoman Empire with a death roll at least doubling that). We would still be talking about that war today ! Would there still be a World War I in that timeline, that death toll would have been a joke compared to the "Great War of 1600".

[Ruggery]

If you refer to the combined Spanish and Portuguese empire against the Ottoman Empire, it would be a very equitable struggle. I think the Iberians would win by sea and the Ottomans would gain by land unless it is in a place well defended by the Iberians.

[Teutone]

You are not even remotely of any relevance for Balkan and Anatolian people.

Your opinion, Your invented stories, history, etc...

So called "Greeks" know very well who Ottomans are and who Ottomans were.


"During the 16th century, the Portuguese used "rume" and "rumes" (plural) as a generic term to refer to the Mamluk-Ottoman forces they faced then in the Indian Ocean.[3]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%BBm

back to the mosque slav(e)

[Bosniensis]

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Of course it was the Inside Job, for Comnenoi (House of Osman) and cousins of Mehmed II were Roman Greeks.

[Teutone]

Back then the HRE wasn't in another war. Ooh a Turkish-Spanish war in around 1600 would have brought the HRE in as well. Habsburg being Habsburg. I can imagine Europe totally blowing up now. Make it a Thirty Years' War 18 years before it actually happened. We would still be talking about that war today !

We would be Western Europeans combined, no force on Earth could defeat us.

[Bosniensis]

We would be Western Europeans combined, no force on Earth could defeat us.

You Western European?

HAHAHAHA

You have massacred Western Europeans.

Hitler massacre toward Jews is a Disneyland what you did to Gauls, Spanish Celts, British Celts etc...



Western Europe was Western European in 6th century when Justinian managed to LIBERATE portions of it from savages.

[The Lawspeaker]

We would be Western Europeans combined, no force on Earth could defeat us.

Not that in those days, my friend. Not in those days. The Catholics hated the Protestants and the Protestants hated the Catholics. The idea of a Protestant Brabander that had fled north to the Dutch Republic taking up arms to fight alongside the same Catholic Spain that had gangraped his mother and killed his father after the fall of Antwerp, would have been next to impossible. There was a literal blood feud between the two groups - even more than they would have disliked the Ottomans (which were far away anyway). The Protestant nations in Europe (and potentially those Southern Catholics in Flanders and Brabant) would have been like "ah sod this.. we're not going to help the f.... Habsburgs here !" with the Southerners thinking "He (Maurice) may be a filthy heretic but at least we're not going to be used as cannon fodder again because he wants out of this war. Open the gates !"