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    Default Spaniards; Question about Latin American Immigrants

    This is a question for Nationalist Spaniards.

    What percentage of non-white blood would you consider "Hispanic" immigrants from Latin America would need to have for you to not recognise them as being Ethnically Spanish? if they are non-white are they therefore unworthy of Spanish citizenship?

    While I realise most people are now too mixed to fit the old-fashioned casta definitions of Mestizos (1/2 Amerindian & 1/2 Spanish), Castizos (3/4 Spanish & 1/4 Amerindian), Cholos (3/4 Amerindian & 1/4 Spanish) and Mulattos (1/2 African & 1/2 Spanish), if we use them as a guide for this exercise, would you accept anyone from these groups coming from Latin America (eg with Majority Spanish ancestors) as a "true" Spaniard?

    Would you accept someone with 10% Native American blood as Spanish?

    If not why not?

    What percentage is too much to be considered Spanish?

    Does it make a difference if the foreign blood is African or Native American or both?

    Do you consider them racially inferior from yourselves?

    I ask because there's many Latin American's on this forum that have an almost "more Spanish than the Spanish" attitude. Do you consider them "real" and "legitimate" Spaniards?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    This is a question for Nationalist Spaniards.

    What percentage of non-white blood do you consider immigrants from Latin America to be non-white and therefore unworthy of Spanish citizenship?
    Spanish citizenship and European one, are in practice equivalent so laws should reflect this in order to avoid excesses menacing our whorty race. As a regular basis, I would deny European one to people with less than 50 per cent of European blood. On debatable punctual cases I would resort to genetical studies. Exceptionaly I could concede that, considering one proved European grandparent, mestizos/mulatos could grant it too.

    Would you accept someone with 10% Native American blood as Spanish?
    Of course. Anyway a so marginal percentage would pass probably unnoticed and I would grant European citizenship to anyone with clear European features.

    If not why not?

    Does it make a difference if the foreign blood is African or Native American or both?
    No.

    Do you consider them racially inferior from yourselves?
    As a rule of thumb, in abstract sense, I consider White race as superior to the rest of human ones. Individually it's not too so easy.

    I ask because there's many Latin American's on this forum that have an almost "more Spanish than the Spanish" attitude. Do you consider them "real" and "legitimate" Spaniards?
    At certain aspects, some not much evident for the uninformed eye, Latinamerica is more conservative than Spain, and hence, more Spanish than Spain itself. For example: if you're blindly progressive, or an integrist atheist, or a feminazi , you should not consider yourself Spanish without being an unawared fool on that rampant oximorons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antonio View Post
    Spanish citizenship and European one, are in practice equivalent so laws should reflect this in order to avoid excesses menacing our whorty race. As a regular basis, I would deny European one to people with less than 50 per cent of European blood. On debatable punctual cases I would resort to genetical studies. Exceptionaly I could concede that, considering one proved European grandparent, mestizos/mulatos could grant it too.



    Of course. Anyway a so marginal percentage would pass probably unnoticed and I would grant European citizenship to anyone with clear European features.

    If not why not?



    No.



    As a rule of thumb, in abstract sense, I consider White race as superior to the rest of human ones. Individually it's not too so easy.



    At certain aspects, some not much evident for the uninformed eye, Latinamerica is more conservative than Spain, and hence, more Spanish than Spain itself. For example: if you're blindly progressive, or an integrist atheist, or a feminazi , you should not consider yourself Spanish without being an unawared fool on that rampant oximorons.
    Excellent and mature answers, thank you. So Spanish Nationalists are pragmatic enough to accept some miscegenation and still accept the descendants of Spanish émigrés as Spanish if they returned to the mother country?

    I wonder the if the same applies to someone from Spain itself with a similar percentage of, say, gypsy blood?
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    I don't think anyone from the Americas, whether ultra-Mestizo or almost full European Criollo should be practically considered as "Spanish". A criollo is not more Spanish than a Moldovan is a Roman. They are Spanish-like or "Hispanic" but never actually Spanish. There is enough differenciation even amongst Criollos and peninsular Spaniards.

    Yet, having said that; I believe any Mestizo or Criollo, in case of living in Spain, would adapt easier than living in USA or any other European country (this is not including full natives from rural areas of Ecuador).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasol View Post
    I don't think anyone from the Americas, whether ultra-Mestizo or almost full European Criollo should be practically considered as "Spanish". A criollo is not more Spanish than a Moldovan is a Roman. They are Spanish-like or "Hispanic" but never actually Spanish. There is enough differenciation even amongst Criollos and peninsular Spaniards.
    To put it another way if a Hispanic couple came to Spain and their child was born there would that child only be considered truly Spanish ethnically if he was 100% white?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    To put it another way if a Hispanic couple came to Spain and their child was born there would that child only be considered truly Spanish ethnically if he was 100% white?
    An Argentine, Chilean or Mexican should not be considered part of Spanish ethnicity even if it's 100% white (foreign concept here by the way) because they already have their own ethnicity.

    They can be considered entirely or partially derived from Spaniards ethnically, and also related peoples but never a full-blended Spanish. Not more than Portugueses or Sardinians can be considered part of "Roman ethnicity".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    This is a question for Nationalist Spaniards.

    What percentage of non-white blood would you consider "Hispanic" immigrants from Latin America would need to have for you to not recognise them as being Ethnically Spanish? if they are non-white are they therefore unworthy of Spanish citizenship?
    I'm not a "nationalist" but to answer your question, the relations between the Spanish and Hispanoamericans is none other's business but ourselves'.

    However...
    Do you consider them racially inferior from yourselves?

    I ask because there's many Latin American's on this forum that have an almost "more Spanish than the Spanish" attitude. Do you consider them "real" and "legitimate" Spaniards?
    They have a legitimate claim on their Spanish heritage. That's not to say that they're Spanish.

    Being lesser or better is something that goes with the individual, not with the group. You see both types within every ethnic/national/racial group.

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    I wonder what his ulterior motive for creating this thread is?

    To get the Spanish to claim they are racially superior to Latinos and then use that against them later on?

    You really shouldn't have replied anyway amigos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gospodine View Post
    I wonder what his ulterior motive for creating this thread is?

    To get the Spanish to claim they are racially superior to Latinos and then use that against them later on?

    You really shouldn't have replied anyway amigos.
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