Pre-Arabic North Africans?

[Smeagol]

Oh, wait, I was thinking the sample was from Roman times, but now I see, 2250 BC. Oh well, what I said probably still applies for the most part.

[Vasconcelos]

Probably not, he was likely a migrant, just as those euro-shifted Morocco_LN samples were

[dududud]

The concept that pre-Arab North Africans lacked any SSA or had only a minor percentage of it is pure bullshit and does not reflect reality. And LOL at Neolithic samples being used to represent 500 AD North Africans.

WT6226914, this is the GEDmatch kit for I4246 (2251 BC) and he scores 25% SSA.

You are right, but it was to show that with such a vague question as 'how were, genetically speaking pre-Arabic North Africans?'', one could not answer in a complete way to an imcomplete question. it would have been necessary to ask: how were the pre-Neolithic North Africans populations, genetically? ''

[Nebro]

The concept that pre-Arab North Africans lacked any SSA or had only a minor percentage of it is pure bullshit and does not reflect reality. And LOL at Neolithic samples being used to represent 500 AD North Africans.

WT6226914, this is the GEDmatch kit for I4246 (2251 BC) and he scores 25% SSA.

most of this sub-saharan is fake , derive from the ghost population named ANA..and he scores 17% btw , not 25%.

[Nassbean]

They were identical to modern north africans with only slight variations don't listen to people here who don't really know what they are talking about especially the impact of the trans-saharan slave trade.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Pre-Arabic and Pre-Roman North Africans from Morocco and Algeria had no European ancestry and were related to both Middle Easterners and sub-Saharan Africans. Two-thirds of their genetic ancestry is Natufian-like and one-third is sub-Saharan African. Main difference to modern Moroccan\Algerian Berbers is that today they have a significant amount of European DNA. I don't know about Tunisians, Lybians and Egyptians.

[Nebro]

Pre-Arabic and Pre-Roman North Africans from Morocco and Algeria had no European ancestry and were related to both Middle Easterners and sub-Saharan Africans. Two-thirds of their genetic ancestry is Natufian-like and one-third is sub-Saharan African. Main difference to modern Moroccan\Algerian Berbers is that today they have a significant amount of European DNA. I don't know about Tunisians, Lybians and Egyptians.

This are not Pre romans , this are Paleolithic North afircans , pre-arabs/and pre romans , had european ancestry.
as for the Paleolithic north africans the sub-saharan admixture in them was discredited by newer studies.

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[Nassbean]

Pre-Arabic and Pre-Roman North Africans from Morocco and Algeria had no European ancestry and were related to both Middle Easterners and sub-Saharan Africans. Two-thirds of their genetic ancestry is Natufian-like and one-third is sub-Saharan African. Main difference to modern Moroccan\Algerian Berbers is that today they have a significant amount of European DNA. I don't know about Tunisians, Lybians and Egyptians.

All you have said is false and has been debunked by recent studies :

By 3,000 BCE, a continuity in the Neolithic spread brought Mediterranean-like ancestry to the Maghreb, most likely from Iberia. Other archaeological remains, such as African elephant ivory and ostrich eggs found in Iberian sites, confirm the existence of contacts and exchange networks through both sides of the Gibraltar strait at this time. Our analyses strongly support that at least some of the European ancestry observed today in North Africa is related to prehistoric migrations, and local Berber populations were already admixed with Europeans before the Roman conquest. Furthermore, additional European/Iberian ancestry could have reached the Maghreb after KEB people; this scenario is supported by the presence of Iberian-like Bell-Beaker pottery in more recent stratigraphic layers of IAM and KEB caves.

Source : https://www.pnas.org/content/115/26/6774#sec-2

NAs already had european in them since the late Neolithic

As for this SSA :

Moreover, our model predicts that West Africans (represented by Yoruba) had 12.5±1.1% ancestry from a Taforalt-related group rather than Taforalt having ancestry from an unknown Sub-Saharan African source11; this may have mediated the limited Neanderthal admixture present in West Africans23. An advantage of our model is that it allows for a local North African component in the ancestry of Taforalt, rather than deriving them exclusively from Levantine and Sub-Saharan sources.

Source : https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1.full

It wasn't SSA or levantine but a native component related to a Taforalt-like population.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Alright, I wasn't aware of that to be honest.

[Latinus]

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