How the West destroyed the Greeks, Byzantium, Greece and Balkans

[Autrigón]

Not always was destruction...sometimes was help and support, you are forgetting the Battle of Lepanto (1571).

[Hellenas]

Battle of Lepanto (1571)

The destruction of the Turkish fleet boosted the morale of the subjugated peoples of the Balkans and was the starting point for a series of revolutionary and conspiratorial actions against the Turks. These moves were made with the hope of help promised by the European forces of the Holy Alliance(Sacra Liga). This help actually never came or was poor and the revolutionary efforts had not been successful.

Η καταστροφή του τουρκικού στόλου αναπτέρωσε το ηθικό των υπόδουλων λαών της Βαλκανικής και αποτέλεσε την αφετηρία μιας σειράς επαναστατικών και συνωμοτικών ενεργειών εναντίον των Τούρκων. Οι κινήσεις αυτές έγιναν με την ελπίδα της βοήθειας που υπόσχονταν οι Eυρωπαϊκές δυνάμεις της Ιεράς Συμμαχίας (Sacra Liga). Οι βοήθειες αυτές στην πραγματικότητα δεν ήλθαν ποτέ ή ήταν πενιχρές και οι επαναστατικές προσπάθειες δεν είχαν επιτυχία.

https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9D...3;ες


The futile and pointless christian victory

Despite the overwhelming defeat of the Ottomans, the victory of the Christian states has remained unexploited. They limited sharing the spoils - galleons of the losers and they did not proceed to the easy release for them of the subjugated Greeks and Cypriots. Their only purpose was to insure their sea freight transports by the Ottomans.

After 1-2 years the Ottoman fleet had replenished its losses and again appeared threatening in the Aegean and the Mediterranean.


Η ΑΝΩΦΕΛΗ ΧΡΙΣΤΙΑΝΙΚΗ ΝΙΚΗ

Παρά τη συντριπτική ήττα των Οθωμανών, η νίκη των Χριστιανικών κρατών έμεινε ανεκμετάλλευτη. Περιορίστηκαν στο να διαμοιράσουν μεταξύ τους τα λάφυρα – γαλέρες των ηττημένων και δεν προχώρησαν στην εύκολη γι' αυτούς πλέον απελευθέρωση των υπόδουλων Ελλήνων και Κυπρίων. Ο μόνος σκοπός τους ήταν να ασφαλίσουν από τους απίστους τις εμπορευματικές θαλάσσιες μεταφορές τους. Όμως 1-2 χρόνια μετά ο Οθωμανικός στόλος είχε αναπληρώσει τις απώλειες του και εμφανιζόταν πάλι απειλητικός στο Αιγαίο και τη Μεσόγειο.


http://www.xryshaygh.com/enimerosi/v...-ton-ellhnismo

[Bosniensis]

Battle of Lepanto (1571)

The destruction of the Turkish fleet boosted the morale of the subjugated peoples of the Balkans and was the starting point for a series of revolutionary and conspiratorial actions against the Turks. These moves were made with the hope of help promised by the European forces of the Holy Alliance(Sacra Liga). This help actually never came or was poor and the revolutionary efforts had not been successful.

Η καταστροφή του τουρκικού στόλου αναπτέρωσε το ηθικό των υπόδουλων λαών της Βαλκανικής και αποτέλεσε την αφετηρία μιας σειράς επαναστατικών και συνωμοτικών ενεργειών εναντίον των Τούρκων. Οι κινήσεις αυτές έγιναν με την ελπίδα της βοήθειας που υπόσχονταν οι Eυρωπαϊκές δυνάμεις της Ιεράς Συμμαχίας (Sacra Liga). Οι βοήθειες αυτές στην πραγματικότητα δεν ήλθαν ποτέ ή ήταν πενιχρές και οι επαναστατικές προσπάθειες δεν είχαν επιτυχία.

https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9D...3;ες


The futile and pointless christian victory

Despite the overwhelming defeat of the Ottomans, the victory of the Christian states has remained unexploited. They limited sharing the spoils - galleons of the losers and they did not proceed to the easy release for them of the subjugated Greeks and Cypriots. Their only purpose was to insure their sea freight transports by the Ottomans.

After 1-2 years the Ottoman fleet had replenished its losses and again appeared threatening in the Aegean and the Mediterranean.


Η ΑΝΩΦΕΛΗ ΧΡΙΣΤΙΑΝΙΚΗ ΝΙΚΗ

Παρά τη συντριπτική ήττα των Οθωμανών, η νίκη των Χριστιανικών κρατών έμεινε ανεκμετάλλευτη. Περιορίστηκαν στο να διαμοιράσουν μεταξύ τους τα λάφυρα – γαλέρες των ηττημένων και δεν προχώρησαν στην εύκολη γι' αυτούς πλέον απελευθέρωση των υπόδουλων Ελλήνων και Κυπρίων. Ο μόνος σκοπός τους ήταν να ασφαλίσουν από τους απίστους τις εμπορευματικές θαλάσσιες μεταφορές τους. Όμως 1-2 χρόνια μετά ο Οθωμανικός στόλος είχε αναπληρώσει τις απώλειες του και εμφανιζόταν πάλι απειλητικός στο Αιγαίο και τη Μεσόγειο.


http://www.xryshaygh.com/enimerosi/v...-ton-ellhnismo

Battle of Lepanto was the fight of Barbarians (Germans) vs Romans (Anatolians)

Portuguese Commander clearly distinguished and called Ottoman Army "Rumes"

The fact most of Balkan people dislike the fact they are muslims won't change the fact that Ottomans are the only true Heir of Byzantium by their BLOOD RIGHT!

How can you support Holy League, they are not Balkan & Anatolian people but foreigners.

Greeks cheering Germans against Ottoman Greeks because they don't like their religion, NICE!

[Hellenas]

Battle of Lepanto was the fight of Barbarians (Germans) vs Romans (Anatolians)

Portuguese Commander clearly distinguished and called Ottoman Army "Rumes"

The fact most of Balkan people dislike the fact they are muslims won't change the fact that Ottomans are the only true Heir of Byzantium by their BLOOD RIGHT!

How can you support Holy League, they are not Balkan & Anatolian people but foreigners.

Greeks cheering Germans against Ottoman Greeks because they don't like their religion, NICE!

I think because you are a Muslim Balkanian you like to europeanize the Turks. Ottomans-Turks neither are Greeks nor Romans, Turks are natives of Anatolia(Hittites and others), Kurdo-Iranians, turkicized Europeans Greeks, Balkanians, Ukrainians and other Slavs as well as proto-Turk Turanid-Mongoloids. That's their ethnic and racial origin. Just because they absorbed some Easter Roman-Greeks from Asia Minor, some Greeks from mainland Greece(who joined the turkish camp by becoming Muslim-Turks or by mass kidnapping children turning them to Janissaries) this cannot support the claim they are Greeks. Turks do not cluster with Greeks or other Europeans genetically and they only have a minority of European phenotypes, talking racially. Not even the fact that they are half europeans genetically can turn them to Greeks, even if the Anatolid-Armenoid racial type of Turkey is half Euro-Mediterranean(from Pelasgian Neolithics of Anatolia)/half Caucasian-Armenid, this cannot turn them to Greeks. Turks are Turks, the majority of them are West Asians, not Greeks, not Bulgarians, not Serbians, not Albanians, not Slavs, not Celto-Galatians from Galata.

[Bosniensis]

I think because you are a Muslim Balkanian you like to europeanize the Turks. Ottomans-Turks neither are Greeks nor Romans, Turks are natives of Anatolia(Hittites and others), Kurdo-Iranians, turkicized Europeans Greeks, Balkanians, Ukrainians and other Slavs as well as proto-Turk Turanid-Mongoloids. That's their ethnic and racial origin. Just because they absorbed some Easter Roman-Greeks from Asia Minor, some Greeks from mainland Greece(who joined the turkish camp by becoming Muslim-Turks or by mass kidnapping of children who turned to Janissaries) cannot support the claim they are Greeks. Turks do not cluster with Greeks or other Europeans genetically and they only have a minority of European phenotypes, talking racially. Not even the fact that they are half europeans genetically can turn them to Greeks, even if the Anatolid-Armenoid racial type of Turkey is half Euro-Mediterranean(from Pelasgian Neolithics of Anatolia)/half Caucasian-Armenid, this cannot turn them to Greeks. Turks are Turks, the majority of them are West Asians, not Greeks, not Bulgarians, not Serbians, not Albanians, not Slavs, not Celto-Galatians from Galata.

You think I am biased because of religion?

The only reason we converted is because those people are direct ancestors of Ottomans:

My family lived in Dalmatia as direct servants of Byzantine Theme of Dalmatia and we know very well who are Ottomans.

John I Tzimiskes
Romanos I Lekapenos
Mizizios
Leo V the Armenian
Stephen Lekapenos
Constantine Lekapenos
Christopher Lekapenos
Heraclius
Basil I
Philippikos Bardanes
Artabasdos

Those are all Armenian, Syrian and Greek mixed Byzantines = modern day Turks.

Ottoman Fez was called by Arabian people: Rumi Topi (Hat of the Romans)
Chinese Delegation addressed Ottomans as Lumes (Romans)
Portuguese and Spanish always addressed Ottomans as Romans

All Bosnian and Serbian governors in Ottoman Empire were Greeks and we addressed them as such it's a well known fact.

All Greek and Byzantine historians up to 17th century never disputed the fact that Ottomans are Byzantine people.

Turks were a minority among the Ottomans like 10-15%, only Attaturk later enforced Turkish language in Turkish Republic
majority of Turks spoke Greek including Erdogan family, even today it's a Taboo topic in Turkey due to heavy repressions.

Armenian people from Turkey and Orthodox Greeks from Turkey all confirm that modern Turks are Byzantine people
who changed culture and religion.

One day people will wake up.

One more thing: Why do you think that Byzantines clustered with Greeks? Greeks were just one of many Byzantine communities.

[Hellenas]

You think I am biased because of religion?

That's exactly what I believe!

Ottomans-Turks were/are not Greeks.

John I Tzimiskes
Romanos I Lekapenos
Mizizios
Leo V the Armenian
Stephen Lekapenos
Constantine Lekapenos
Christopher Lekapenos
Heraclius
Basil I
Philippikos Bardanes
Artabasdos

Those are all Armenian, Syrian and Greek mixed Byzantines = modern day Turks.

The descendants of those 11 Byzantine Emperors and generals most probably slaughtered by the invading Turks, those 11 Byzantine personalities are not the forefathers of Turks.

Most of the so called "Armenian Emperors" and others were not even Armenians but Greeks who had some Armenian origin.

Out of almost 100 Byzantine Emperors only 11 had some Armenian origin or were Armenians. That's the 10%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...ntine_emperors

There was/are no pure blooded kings in all over Europe either, they came from different ethnic origins, this doesn't turn the people of their countries mixed like they were and still are.


Heraclius ethnic origin is unknown

Heraclius was the eldest son of Heraclius the Elder and Epiphania, of a family of possible Armenian origin from Cappadocia,[A 1][2] with speculative Arsacid descent.[3] Beyond that, there is little specific information known about his ancestry.


also unknown is his father's origin.


Heraclius the Elder's ethnic origin is unknown

Heraclius the Elder was possibly of Armenian origin and presumably bilingual (Armenian and Greek) at an early age.[1] His origin is deduced by a passage of Theophylact Simocatta, which considers him a native of Byzantine Armenia.[2][3] Heraclius the Elder's own city is not specifically mentioned. Mary and Michael Whitby suggest that Heraclius the Elder was at the time the magister militum per Armeniam. If so, "his city" was Theodosiopolis (modern Erzurum), the headquarters of the Roman forces in Armenia.[4] As the chief military stronghold along the northeastern border of the empire, Theodosiopolis held an important strategic location that was contested in wars between the Byzantines and Persians. Emperors Anastasius I (r. 491–518) and Justinian I (r. 527–565) both refortified the city and built new defenses during their reigns.[5]

Nothing is known of the specific ancestry of Heraclius the Elder, but this has not prevented modern historians from speculating on the matter. Cyril Mango has supported a theory which suggests that he was a namesake descendant of Heraclius of Edessa, a 5th-century Roman general.[6] A passage from Sebeos's History has been understood to suggest an Arsacid origin of Heraclius the Elder.[6] This theory was strongly supported by Cyril Toumanoff, while considered likely by Alexander Vasiliev and Irfan Shahîd.[6] John of Nikiû and Constantine Manasses seem to consider his son, Heraclius the Younger, to be a Cappadocian, which might indicate his place of birth rather than actual ancestry.[6]


Basil I's ethnic origin is unknown

His ethnic origin is unknown, and has been a subject of debate. During Basil's reign, an elaborate genealogy was produced that purported that his ancestors were not mere peasants, as everyone believed, but descendants of the Arsacid (Arshakuni) kings of Armenia, and also of Constantine the Great.[4][5] The Armenian historians Samuel of Ani and Stephen of Taron record that he hailed from the village of Thil in Taron.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_I

All Greek and Byzantine historians up to 17th century never disputed the fact that Ottomans are Byzantine people.

Byzantine doesn't mean Greek, even Armenians were Byzantines. As many people in the Roman Empire had the right to take the Roman citizenship, like that non-Greeks had also the right to take the Eastern Roman citizenship.

You said Turks are Greeks, this doesn't stands for real.

majority of Turks spoke Greek including Erdogan family

Majority of Turks spoke Turkish, not Greek.

One more thing: Why do you think that Byzantines clustered with Greeks? Greeks were just one of many Byzantine communities.

Greeks were the main body of Byzantium not just a community, as Italians were of the Roman Empire.

Turks are not even descendants of Armenians, Armenians just lived in Caucasus and the nearby areas. The majority of Turks are descendants of the Anatolid-Armenoid natives of Anatolia, descendants of Hittites and other Anatolians who during Byzantium they had been called Byzantines, as Armenians etc.

Anyway, modern Turks are so much mixed that only the majority can claim they are natives, rest are Asian, Iranian and European mixed.

[Thanas Django]

The sack of Constantinople in 1204 was a symptom, not the disease. The Greek disease begins from the inception of the Greek nation has festered all the way to 1453 through the Ottoman occupation and 1821 and continues today.

[Faklon]

Keep shut your ass-mouth pseudo-USSR guerrilla.

I'm working for the European East right now, both South-East and North East.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU ARE NOT WORKING AT ALL AND SOON IF NOT YET YOU WILL BE ASKING FOR A PENSION

STOP STALKING MY OLD POSTS BITCH ASS MOTHERFUCKER

[Vasconcelos]

Battle of Lepanto was the fight of Barbarians (Germans) vs Romans (Anatolians)

Portuguese Commander clearly distinguished and called Ottoman Army "Rumes"

I've never read anything remotely similar to that claim, it seems totally absurd. Give us a quote and its original source

[MinervaItalica]

Battle of Lepanto was the fight of Barbarians (Germans) vs Romans (Anatolians).