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    A part of our history I am utmost proud of and I would love to see Constantinople as a part of Greece. However, that chronicle is over. History has proven time and time again that it's the survival of the fittest that wins; and unfortunately for us, we were the weaker company against the Latins and the Turks. We also have ourselves to blame for all the infighting that led to the Fourth Crusade.

    All we can do now as a nation is take what we've got and move forward collectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    History has proven time and time again that it's the survival of the fittest that wins; and unfortunately for us, we were the weaker company against the Latins and the Turks.
    It's the survival of the fittest that wins? Then Greeks have already won, as they have survived, at least for the moment. The predominance of the strongest it's gorilla think, it's the sneaky who usually wins but not for long, being right is a power by itself, injustice, exploitation and the indignation coming by unfair treatment is an atomic bomb that soon or later explodes. That's why we kicked Turks out of Greece. The time will come to also kick out of Greece the EU Zionist usurers and Globalists/Multiracialists, else Greece will be lost for ever.

    All we can do now as a nation is take what we've got and move forward collectively.
    He who forgets history is condemned to live it again, as nowadays with the sack of Greece by the EU and the destruction we face as a nation and state. "Europeans are our friends" politicians band and all other ass-lickers of the West, well, there are no friends when you have to do with states, only geo-politics and interests, either economical or geo-strategical. They sell simple air to the Greeks and the Greeks buy it for gold. Greeks must wake up by the brainwashing.


    We also have ourselves to blame for all the infighting that led to the Fourth Crusade.
    Really? We have to blame for another one time ourselves? Why we have always to blame ourselves, instead the scums who destroy us? We can only blame ourselves for being stupid and for trusting the wrong allies and for giving them everything! Anyway, this "blame yourselves" always comes by the supporters of those who have destroyed us or from Greeks living abroad, among them!


    The history goes like that.


    Before the siege

    The Massacre of the Latins (Italian: Massacro dei Latini; Greek: Σφαγή τ?ν Λατίνων), a massacre of the Roman Catholic or "Latin" inhabitants of Constantinople by the usurper Andronikos Komnenos and his supporters in May 1182,[5][6] had a dramatic effect on the politics between Western Europe and the Byzantine Empire.[7] Although regular trade agreements were soon resumed between Roman Byzantine and Latin states, many westerners sought some form of revenge.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_o...fore_the_siege


    Massacre of the Latins

    The Massacre of the Latins (Italian: Massacro dei Latini; Greek: Σφαγή των Λατίνων) was a large-scale massacre of the Roman Catholic (called "Latin") inhabitants of Constantinople, the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire, by the Eastern Orthodox population of the city in April 1182.[1][2]

    The Roman Catholics of Constantinople at that time dominated the city's maritime trade and financial sector.[1] Although precise numbers are unavailable, the bulk of the Latin community, estimated at 60,000 at the time by Eustathius of Thessalonica,[1] was wiped out or forced to flee. The Genoese and Pisan communities especially were decimated, and some 4,000 survivors were sold as slaves to the (Turkish) Sultanate of Rum.[3]

    The massacre further worsened relations and increased enmity between the Western and Eastern Christian churches,[4] and a sequence of hostilities between the two followed.

    Background

    Since the late 11th century, Western merchants, primarily from the Italian city-states of Venice, Genoa and Pisa, had started appearing in the East. The first had been the Venetians, who had secured large-scale trading concessions from Byzantine emperor Alexios I Komnenos. Subsequent extensions of these privileges and Byzantium's own naval impotence at the time resulted in a virtual maritime monopoly and stranglehold over the Empire by the Venetians.[5]

    The predominance of the Italian merchants caused economic and social upheaval in Byzantium: it accelerated the decline of the independent native merchants in favour of big exporters, who became tied to the landed aristocracy, who in turn increasingly amassed large estates.[1] Together with the perceived arrogance of the Italians, it fueled popular resentment amongst the middle and lower classes both in the countryside and in the cities.[1]

    The religious differences between the two sides, who viewed each other as schismatics, further exacerbated the problem. The Italians proved uncontrollable by imperial authority: in 1162, for instance, the Pisans together with a few Venetians raided the Genoese quarter in Constantinople, causing much damage.[1] Emperor Manuel subsequently expelled most of the Genoese and Pisans from the city, thus giving the Venetians a free hand for several years.[7]

    In early 1171, however, when the Venetians attacked and largely destroyed the Genoese quarter in Constantinople, the Emperor retaliated by ordering the mass arrest of all Venetians throughout the Empire and the confiscation of their property. There were also mass rapes and the burning of houses. A subsequent Venetian expedition in the Aegean failed: a direct assault was impossible due to the strength of the imperial forces, and the Venetians agreed to negotiations, which the Emperor stalled intentionally. As talks dragged on through the winter, the Venetian fleet waited at Chios, until an outbreak of the plague forced them to withdraw.[8]

    The Venetians and the Empire remained at war, with the Venetians prudently avoiding direct confrontation but sponsoring Serb uprisings, besieging Ancona, Byzantium's last stronghold in Italy, and signing a treaty with the Norman Kingdom of Sicily.[9] Relations were only gradually normalized: there is evidence of a treaty in 1179,[10] although a full restoration of relations would only be reached in the mid-1180s.[11] Meanwhile, the Genoese and Pisans profited from the dispute with Venice, and by 1180, it is estimated that up to 60,000 Latins lived in Constantinople.[1]

    Death of Manuel I and massacre

    Following the death of Manuel I in 1180, his widow, the Latin princess Maria of Antioch, acted as regent to her infant son Alexios II Komnenos. Her regency was notorious for the favoritism shown to Latin merchants and the big aristocratic land-owners, and was overthrown in April 1182 by Andronikos I Komnenos, who entered the city in a wave of popular support.[1][12] Almost immediately, the celebrations spilled over into violence towards the hated Latins, and after entering the city's Latin quarter a mob began attacking the inhabitants.[4]

    Many had anticipated the events and escaped by sea.[3] The ensuing massacre was indiscriminate: neither women nor children were spared, and Latin patients lying in hospital beds were murdered.[4] Houses, churches, and charities were looted.[4] Latin clergymen received special attention, and Cardinal John, the papal legate, was beheaded and his head was dragged through the streets at the tail of a dog.[3][13]

    Although Andronikos himself had no particular anti-Latin attitude, he allowed the massacre to proceed unchecked.[14] Andronikos had managed to incite the anti-Latin sentiment of Constantinopolitans, on the grounds that the empress and the protosebastos had bought the Latin support by promising them the chance of plundering the city.[15]


    Impact

    The massacre further worsened the image of the Byzantines in the West, and although regular trade agreements were soon resumed between Byzantium and Latin states, the underlying hostility would remain, leading to a spiraling chain of hostilities: a Norman expedition under William II of Sicily in 1185 sacked Thessalonica, the Empire's second largest city, and the German emperors Frederick Barbarossa and Henry VI both threatened to attack Constantinople.[16]

    The worsening relationship culminated with the brutal sack of the city of Constantinople by the Fourth Crusade in 1204, which led to the permanent alienation of Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics. The massacre itself however remains relatively obscure, and Catholic historian Warren Carroll notes that "Historians who wax eloquent and indignant—with considerable reason—about the sack of Constantinople ... rarely if ever mention the massacre of the Westerners in ... 1182."[13]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Latins


    Venecians, Pisans and Genoese wanted to sack the Empire since the beginning and with the Crusaders helping with that, they did it.


    Bad for us we had at that time this bitch.


    Manuscript miniature of Maria of Antioch (Vatican Library)

    Father

    Raymond of Poitiers (c. 1099- 29 June 1149) was Prince of Antioch from 1136 to 1149. He was the younger son of William IX, Duke of Aquitaine[1] and his wife Philippa, Countess of Toulouse, born in the very year that his father the Duke began his infamous liaison with Dangereuse de Chatelherault.

    Mother

    Constance of Hauteville (1128–1163) was the ruling Princess of Antioch from 1130 to 1163. She was the only child of Bohemond II of Antioch by his wife, Alice of Jerusalem.

    As a Westerner who favoured the Italian merchants, Maria was opposed by the Greeks, and her regency was widely considered incompetent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_of_Antioch


    Death of Manuel I and massacre

    Following the death of Manuel I in 1180, his widow, the Latin princess Maria of Antioch, acted as regent to her infant son Alexios II Komnenos. Her regency was notorious for the favoritism shown to Latin merchants and the big aristocratic land-owners, and was overthrown in April 1182 by Andronikos I Komnenos, who entered the city in a wave of popular support.[1][12] Almost immediately, the celebrations spilled over into violence towards the hated Latins, and after entering the city's Latin quarter a mob began attacking the inhabitants.[4]


    And bad for us the West had this Jewish faced scum.


    Enrico Dandolo

    Historians continue to debate the exact reason why the Crusaders then turned on Constantinople instead of Jerusalem, but one crucial ingredient in the troublesome mix of mutual suspicions between the western powers and Byzantium was the Republic of Venice and one man, in particular, the Doge Enrico Dandolo (r. 1192-1205 CE). Intent on winning Venetian domination of the trade in the east, he well remembered his undignified expulsion from Constantinople when he served as an ambassador. This seemed as good an opportunity as ever to finally knock out Constantinople as a trade competitor. In addition, the Pope would achieve the supremacy of the western Church once and for all and the Crusader knights would not only gain revenge on the duplicitous Byzantines for their unhelpful support of previous Crusades but also surely pick up some glory and handsome booty in the process. The riches of Constantinople could then pay for the rest of the Crusade as it marched on to Jerusalem. It may not have been so cynically planned by all parties but, in the end, it is exactly what happened with the exception that the Fourth Crusade ended with the fall of the Byzantine capital and Jerusalem was left for a later date.

    https://www.ancient.eu/article/1188/...onstantinople/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Profileid View Post
    Good. Fuck you niggers
    Get lost you out-law Syrian invader. Back to Syria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellenas View Post
    Get lost you out-law Syrian invader. Back to Syria.
    I am a white Aryan Anglo, you are the sandnigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Profileid View Post
    I am a white Aryan Anglo, you are the sandnigger.
    You are a Syrian out-law immigrant as everybody knows. Niggers are those who speak like them and by speaking like that you only show your cultural and social background = the underworld.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellenas View Post
    You are a Syrian out-law immigrant as everybody knows. Niggers are those who speak like them and by speaking like that you only show your cultural and social background = the underworld.
    Can you just not accept the fact that your betters hate you?

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    Can you just not accept the fact that your betters hate you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Profileid View Post
    Can you just not accept the fact that your betters hate you?
    Syrian immigrants like you, the Westerners and their Zionist Jewish bosses are not better than Greeks, just the Zionist West is more cunning and by sacking the wealth of all those they exploit they have gain power but this is not going to last for long. Either you believe it or not there is devine Justice that soon or later you going to face. History shows of who is better and bad for you that Greeks still live. We will return to rule the world.

    The future history of mankind will be written and will be created by Greeks and is going to be a poem...


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