Do North Africans have any overlap with Europeans?

[Ibericus]

A Kabyle with light eyes is certainly not odd at all. Anyway you guys are Spanish and there are almost no Berbers living in Spain...so I don't know how you could tell.

lol, we have thousands of Riffians, not to mention Ceuta and Melilla, spanish territories in the norther tip of Morocco. Berbers, mixed or not, whatever they all look like Moors to us.

how can you say that those people are unmixed? where are the sources? Anyway most of them looks African only someone is pretty uncommon and look European.

To classify a country it's better picking for example some national teams.

this is the Algerian soccer national team.



Tunisia


Morocco





Random groups

Tunisia



Morocco



Algeria




I' ve been in north western Africa several times, even in Algeria, and people are dark as hell, probably one person each 10000000 can have an European look. those tales about light skinned and blue eyed north African are bullshits.

End of thread.

[Logan]

What is the proposed origin of the Berbers? Were they always there, or as one Neolithic wave went into Europe, another went into North Africa?

This is my thought as well.

I ticked the Southern European divisions.

[Sikeliot]

Some Tunisians.. not all that Iberian looking IMO but there has to be something if others see it.

[El Palleter]

Just for the record, depending on which forum and which peoples, the "morisco legacy" is seen with different eyes:

You spaniards forgot that the majority of moriscos were of celtiberian origin that accepted islam,you expeled your brothers in race,the moriscos is why there is 10% of european dna in northern morocco and 15% of european dna in north-west algeria,the berbers were a minority and the arabs in al-andalus were just the royal family the rest,the majority were geneticaly like castillians,so you should say sorry for expeled the native andalusians converted to islam

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=467724&page=5

The Moriscos descendend from the Muladis, who were the Spanish converts to Islam after the invasion. So the Moors. They made the bulk of the Muslim population in Al Andalus (the rest would be so-called Mosarabs, i.e. Spanish Christians under Islamicj rule, or dhimmis). Many of the family names adopted to the new faith attest this, such as the Ibn al-Qutiya family, which means the "son of the Goth woman", in reference to Sarah, the grandaughter of King Witiza of the Ostrogothic royal lineage in Visigothic Spain; or the Banu Qasi family, rulers of the Ebro valleys, descended from the Hispanogoth Count Cassius.

The Berber element in Al Andalus is distrusted by the Arab ruling minority. Musa, the Arab governor of Northwest Africa, did not trust his Berber general Tariq, who he sent to Spain to aid the Witizan rebellion. The Berbers were, like the Andalusi Muladis, recent converts to Islam. Soon the Arab rulers favoured the Muladis over the Berbers, and this leads to Berber rebellions that are crushed. In their last redoubt in Spain, the remaining rebellious Berbers are given the choice of returning to North Africa.

Not just the Moriscos of the expulsion, but before them many Moors from Al Andalus had crossed into North Africa, at different times, fleeing from the advance of the Reconquista. They spread through the lands of the modern countries of Morocco, Algeria and Tunis.

Obviously they left a genetic print among those populations.

[Sikeliot]

Riffians from Northern Morocco

[Ibericus]

ugly moors, I think we should close this thread

[Sikeliot]

One of the guys I posted wasn't too bad looking.

[Laubach]

I think most of them could fit into Greece and Malta!

[Alvarado]

Overall, "pure" North Africans have distinctive features, only a minority could pass as Southern Europeans. In addition, Coon overestimated the light complexion of Riffians. They are not so "white".

[Odoacer]

Some individuals could pass in Mediterranean countries, though I think most of those individuals would still likely stand out as being somewhat exotic. As a group, though, they wouldn't fit anywhere in Europe.