Are Mediterraean Europeans culturally closer to Mediterranean non-Europeans or to Northern Europeans

[renaissance12]

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Is it strange that no Theapricity member has written anything about northern European culture?

What are the main characteristics of a culture?

The site is called: Theapricity A European culturally community .
And retarted members from other continent like SEAN, ( mixed with local redskin who are not proud of a retarted Sean ? ) , should stay away from Theapricity ...
It is better for Sean to join SKADI.. he can discuss with other members about the culture of the Vikings and their scientific achievments ..and viking discovery of america and bla bla bla..

[de Burgh II]

I would assume the term "European" would be self explanatory. Ergo, other Europeans on the European continent from Spain to Russia.

[renaissance12]

Is this "european" ??



Is this sound "european" ?



Is this "paint" European ?



Are these "dress" European ?

[Zeno]

Well, being a member of this forum, I constantly see that we Greeks have a lot of relations with Turks or even Middle Easterners...

Then I quite literally roam the neighbourhood I used to live in once, in the centre of Athens, and I go there everyday because my uni is there and I'm reminded that we are NOT similar. In any way, under any circumstances.

For this, as far as Greeks are concerned, our supposed relation often comes up mainly because arguments of the foods. You know, baklava, turkish coffee, moussaka, etc. This is used to say "well, because you have some dishes with us, you are very similar to Durks too, ya know ". Well, for the cuisine... Only two dishes in the entirety of Greek cuisine can be considered direct loans from other cuisines, namely the Turkish one: baklava and Turkish coffee. Even in the baklava though, each of the two cultures makes it differently.



Then, it's just dishes that just have the same name, but mean completely different things in the other culture. Moussaka is not the same dish in Greece as it is in Turkey, as it's a lasagna-like dish in the former, and a sauteed eggplant salad in the other. Same goes for tzatziki, which is made way differently in either country. Then, soutzoukakia: it comes from the word cuzuk in Turkish, but it means sausage. Soutzoukaki in Greece is a meatball in gravy, usually served with rice, sometimes with spaghetti. Then, arguably, the most controversial: gyro vs kebab. They are not the same, and I don't even know why there is even that argument... Different meat, different way of serving. Only thing in common: cooking on a rotisserie.

Continuing, most of the Greek dishes aren't even in other cuisines: pastitsio (ofc), all the pies, together with the baking material with which they're made, the phyllo, kleftiko, spetzofai, papoutsakia (little shoes, lol), stiphado stews, many fish and chicken soups, especially the avgolemono ones, giouvetsi, galaktoboureko, Panorama triangles, kariokes etc.

Then, when the "muh food" argument is completely tossed away, the genetic part comes in. Even if we share some things with Turks, mainly, genetically, it doesn't make us the same with them. In fact, most of the similarity is because of the Turks having some substantial Greek ancestry. Not the reverse. And on top of it all, we mostly don't look like each other.

[Regnera]

According to the logic ( maybe in North Europe they developed a different LOGIC ? ) from the time of Aristotle onwards ( till Godel ) to make comparisons between two "elements" it is first necessary to identify the characteristics in an incontrovertible way.

For you North Europe is Germany Dutch England or Scandinavia ?.

For me northern Europe are Scandinavia+Finland+Baltic countries,nothing to do with UK,Germany and Netherlands.

[Regnera]

Now now, don't get carried away, lest we err in hast. Roman borrowed many metallurgical techniques and armour from the Celts who were Northern Europeans in ancestry. Germanic peoples developed interesting tech like pattern welded swords a 1000 years before the Japanese. Vandal Period Helmets look badass and the North Germanic peoples invented many new innovation in shipbuilding. Their ships, although smaller than Roman cargo vessels, where more water tight and had better draft

Celts were central-west Europeans,NOT northern Euros.

[renaissance12]

Celts were central-west Europeans,NOT northern Euros.

North Italy was Celtic till Julius Caesar time.

[billErobreren]

Depends on where in Southern Europe. I'd say North for the most part. These people fought hard to keep themselves within a western Christian world, time and again, even if they set the foundation before the newer converts did. It's clear after that where they see themselves culturally and what world they wanted to preserve, foster and belong to.
Maybe if the Franks never took the mantle of evangelist in the Northwestern half, playing successors to Rome, I'd answer differently, but that's how history played out.
Nowadays whatever similarities have with the near east and North Africa seem cosmetic. There's maybe some staple foods they share, overly handsy mannerisms, some music that one might hear, but I don't see much beyond that.

[ChocolateFace]

In terms of genetics closer to Northern Europeans.

[renaissance12]

Depends on where in Southern Europe. I'd say North for the most part. These people fought hard to keep themselves within a western Christian world, time and again, even if they set the foundation before the newer converts did. It's clear after that where they see themselves culturally and what world they wanted to preserve, foster and belong to.
Maybe if the Franks never took the mantle of evangelist in the Northwestern half, playing successors to Rome, I'd answer differently, but that's how history played out.
Nowadays whatever similarities have with the near east and North Africa seem cosmetic. There's maybe some staple foods they share, overly handsy mannerisms, some music that one might hear, but I don't see much beyond that.

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