Kuçi Dhe Vasojeçi

[Voskos]

I hope South Croats(Albanians) and Northern Bulgarians(Serb) will eventually reconcile.

[Dukagjini]

Books written by actual Serbian historians are carefully written too, without speculations. Real historians rarely speculate. Its just that wannabe historians are louder and more noticeable in the public

True. The wannabe's are out there, like Jovan Deretic who says we were shipped on a boat from Italy, lmao

[Vukodav]

i think its unavoidable. i can somehow understand how some young serbs, say those born in kosovo might feel. To them (regardless of how historically valid it is anymore and of the war) they still see it as "srce srbije", and i mean you cant really blame them, from their position it makes sense, and if someone had say a family member die in that war (regardless of some of the atrocities) that can mess you up big time. Of course from my side its the same way, but i feel as if we dont see through these ethnic divisions enough and analyze the human aspect behind it.

Maybe this is why the balkans will always be a mess.

Kosovo value to Serbs is cultural and a matter of an ethnic pride. No one really cares about teritory itself. But its a symbol before anything else. I personally mostly care about the Serbs that are left there, torn apart and used as political pawns by official Serbian and Kosovo governments

[Pribislav]

There were no Illyrians in Middle Ages in Dukagjin, only Albanians. Your ancestors were most certainly Albanian, that couldn’t keep their lands in Dukagjin or migrated out for better opportunities (posture land etc). Live with it.

Even if his direct paternal line is Albanian that means nothing after the many centuries of autosomal mixing with Serbs.
Y dna is only 0.01% of total dna. Milosh look very Slavic btw.

[MiloshN]

Even if his direct paternal line is Albanian that means nothing after the many centuries of autosomal mixing with Serbs.
Y dna is only 0.01% of total dna. Milosh look very Slavic btw.

We will wait for the official confirmation. About that 1000ybc...

[Morlak]

True. The wannabe's are out there, like Jovan Deretic who says we were shipped on a boat from Italy, lmao

Jovan Deretić is best example of a pseudohistorian that loves to make fool of himself. No one with real knowledge of history can take him serious. But problem is that people like him are given to much attention in media because as Vukodav said they make bombastic claims wich are appealing to wider public. It's truly a sad thing wich gives us Serbs a bad reputation, I mean i always see dozen of these fools on internet claiming all ancient civilizations to be Serbian. And sadly I think that in my school history book from 2 years it was mentioned that Albanians came from southern Italy in 11th century (obviously not correct) and that is weird since I rember that in my 6th grade history book it was clearly wirtten that Albanians come from Illyrians. Just shows that there is some division amnog Serbian historians on this topic though I'd say that majority of serious historians accepts the fact that Albanians are natives.

[Dukagjini]

Jovan Deretić is best example of a pseudohistorian that loves to make fool of himself. No one with real knowledge of history can take him serious. But problem is that people like him are given to much attention in media because as Vukodav said they make bombastic claims wich are appealing to wider public. It's truly a sad thing wich gives us Serbs a bad reputation, I mean i always see dozen of these fools on internet claiming all ancient civilizations to be Serbian. And sadly I think that in my school history book from 2 years it was mentioned that Albanians came from southern Italy in 11th century (obviously not correct) and that is weird since I rember that in my 6th grade history book it was clearly wirtten that Albanians come from Illyrians. Just shows that there is some division amnog Serbian historians on this topic though I'd say that majority of serious historians accepts the fact that Albanians are natives.

Yea man it's annoying, but also dangerous imo, cause it shapes people's minds. Not gonna say we are perfect either when it comes to the history and our historians, but we need to all be facts based. Poreklo.rs does a decent job, and so does foleja.

[Uski]

I hope South Croats(Albanians) and Northern Bulgarians(Serb) will eventually reconcile.

I just noticed this and.... holy hell man?

[alb0zfinest]

Yeah, Marko's mother was Albanian, but I think that Kuči as a whole always had good connections with Albanians up until relatevely recently.
I am not sure why did the mixing occurred tbh, a lot of the marriages back then were arranged, so I asume that males from bordering clans who didn't have any other option found a wife in neighbouring Albanian or Montenegrin clan. Or just coincidence, who knows.
The assimilated Albanians in Montenegro live in mixed Albanian and Slavic muslim communities tho and they mixed for ages, like in Plav and Gusinje for example, its not a recent thing tho. But most of them still have Albanian identity, so its kinda strech to say that they are asimilated, I know that language is important and all but I doubt they'll start identifying as Serbs, maybe eventually like Bosniaks. The Albanians in Tuzi and Ulcinj still speak Albanian, actually in Ulcinj they only speak Albanian, most of the youth can't even speak Serbian

The overwhelming amount. It's easy from their last name alone to determine which family they come from and which clan they belong to.

Southern Montenegro, according to this French archeologist and physican, as far as Budva was part of Albania.
"We left the little fort of Budua [Budva], the last holding of the Venetians in Albania" http://www.albanianhistory.net/1675_Spon/

Cases of assimilation usually mean Albanians assimilating into the Montenegrin ethos, and finding the inverse is practically impossible.

[Vukodav]

The overwhelming amount. It's easy from their last name alone to determine which family they come from and which clan they belong to.

Southern Montenegro, according to this French archeologist and physican, as far as Budva was part of Albania.
"We left the little fort of Budua [Budva], the last holding of the Venetians in Albania" http://www.albanianhistory.net/1675_Spon/

Cases of assimilation usually mean Albanians assimilating into the Montenegrin ethos, and finding the inverse is practically impossible.

In which century it was part of Albania? Which state of Albania are you talking about, please be realistic.