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    Iceland is considering banning the sale of cigarettes and making them a prescription-only product.

    The parliament in Reykjavik is to debate a proposal that would outlaw the sale of cigarettes in normal shops. Only pharmacies would be allowed to dispense them – initially to those aged 20 and up, and eventually only to those with a valid medical certificate.
    The radical initiative is part of a 10-year plan that also aims to ban smoking in all public places, including pavements and parks, and in cars where children are present. Iceland also wants to follow Australia's lead by forcing tobacco manufacturers to sell cigarettes in plain, brown packaging plastered with health warnings rather than branding.

    Under the mooted law, doctors will be encouraged to help addicts kick the habit with treatments and education programmes. If these do not work, they may prescribe cigarettes.
    The private member's bill is sponsored by former health minister Siv Fridleifsdottir, who worked with the Icelandic Medical Association as well as a coalition of anti-tobacco groups to come up with the proposal. "The aim is to protect children and youngsters and stop them from starting to smoke," she said on Monday. The proposal would initially result in an increase in cigarette prices, said Fridleifsdottir, of "10% per year, in line with World Health Organisation proposals – evidence shows that a 10% increase results in a 4-8% reduction in consumption".

    But by the end of the 10-year plan, prescription-only cigarettes should actually be cheaper than ever, according to Thorarinn Gudnason, president of the Icelandic Society of Cardiology, who helped draw up the proposal.
    "Under our plan, smokers who are given prescriptions will be diagnosed as addicts, and we don't think the government should tax addicts."
    Gudnason said current cigarette pricing in Iceland did not take into account the huge costs imposed on society by smokers. "A packet currently costs around 1,000 krona [Ł5.50], but if you factor in the cost of sick leave, reduced productivity due to smoking breaks and premature retirement on health grounds, it should really be 3,000 krona," he said.

    The tobacco proposal also says that nicotine should be classed as an addictive substance. "It's as hard to give up nicotine as heroin, not in terms of the side effects, but in terms of the cravings and how quickly one becomes addicted," said Gudnason.
    "We also want the government to license cigarettes like a medicine, which would mean they would have to go through the same rigorous trials as any other drug. I doubt cigarettes would ever get on the market now that we know the side-effects – lung cancer, heart attacks, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease."

    Gudnason said 300 out of the 1,500 deaths in Iceland each year were caused by one of those three conditions.
    "That's 20% of all deaths. We think that our proposals could lead to a significant reduction in smoking-related deaths – perhaps down to just 100 annually."
    The proposal also suggests that tobacco smoke should be treated as a carcinogenic substance, and that it should be restricted in a similar way to other known carcinogens, because of the known effects of passive smoking.

    Gudnason did a study five months after Iceland introduced a smoking ban in restaurants and pubs in 2007 and found a 21% reduction in acute coronary syndrome (heart attacks and near heart attacks) among non-smoking men, compared to five months before the ban.
    A spokeswoman from the Icelandic ministry of welfare said on Monday that the proposal was "very serious" but had limited chances of success.
    "Siv Fridleifsdottir is a very serious politician and this is a very serious proposal," said Anna Baldursdottir, political adviser to the minister of welfare, Gudbjartur Hannesson.
    "Whether it not it eventually becomes law, I do not know. I seriously doubt it."

    The idea will be debated in the Althing, Iceland's parliament, in the autumn, when politicians return from recess, she added.
    Iceland has successfully halved smoking rates over the past 20 years. In 1991, 30% of the population smoked; today, only about 15% light up regularly, according to Baldursdottir, giving it the lowest smoking rates in Europe.

    This success is attributed to huge increases in tobacco tax, which accounts for about 25% of the pack price, as well as the drop in disposable income among islanders since the financial crash of 2008.
    Other countries have gone further. Bhutan has completely outlawed smoking and Finland hopes to follow suit by 2040.
    Swedish surgeons now refuse to operate on smokers until they give up, because of the deleterious effect smoking has on the healing process, Gudnason added.

    As an isolated island, Iceland arguably stands a greater chance of success with such draconian measures than other nations.
    With no neighbouring countries and rigid customs controls at ports and airports, it will be difficult for anyone to smuggle in contraband cigarettes.
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    Gudnason said current cigarette pricing in Iceland did not take into account the huge costs imposed on society by smokers. "A packet currently costs around 1,000 krona [Ł5.50], but if you factor in the cost of sick leave, reduced productivity due to smoking breaks and premature retirement on health grounds, it should really be 3,000 krona," he said.
    The smoking question aside, I would really like to know who invented this idea that people who produce less in a way or another are somehow "costly" to the state. As if we OWE something to the state, and it wasn't just an issue between us and our employers..

    What's next? Are people who take coffee breaks too inefficient as well? Or those who have summer holidays? How about maternity leaves? We don't need to make babies anyway since we can take immigrants instead, which is more cost-efficient.

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    This would save smokers a fortune if this plan was implemented in Wales - prescriptions are free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahtari View Post
    The smoking question aside, I would really like to know who invented this idea that people who produce less in a way or another are somehow "costly" to the state.
    It came about with state provided health care. If the state provides health care, then people who engage in activities which on average result in more health care become "costly to the state"


    Quote Originally Posted by Lahtari View Post
    What's next?
    The newest targets so far are 'transfats' and soft drinks (in the US) and 'enhanced' foods such as marmalade in Denmark.

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    Stupid state intervention is stupid. To the government of Iceland: did you know that cigarettes can be taxed and thus you can make money ? And did you know that smokers (on average) live a little bit shorter thus costing you less in pensions ?



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    I completely support prescription-cigarettes. I wish Big Brother to save me! Give me a prescription please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    I completely support prescription-cigarettes. I wish Big Brother to save me! Give me a prescription please!
    Well, I don't agree with the whole prescription scheme but I certainly won't mind if the smoking age was raised to 21.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Batavi View Post
    Stupid state intervention is stupid. To the government of Iceland: did you know that cigarettes can be taxed and thus you can make money ? And did you know that smokers (on average) live a little bit shorter thus costing you less in pensions ?
    Thats right, so lets take this jump and give the Scots free prescription cigarettes, it will certainly save us English tax payers money in the long run by not paying pensions, and unemployment benefits, and free housing, the list is endless.
    Have you noticed that if you rearrange the letters in ‘illegal immigrants’, and add just a few more letters, it spells, ‘Go home you free-loading, benefit-grabbing, resource-sucking, baby-making, non-English-speaking ********* and take those other hairy-faced, sandal-wearing, bomb-making, camel-riding, goat-f*****g raghead c***s with you.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germanicus View Post
    Thats right, so lets take this jump and give the Scots free prescription cigarettes, it will certainly save us English tax payers money in the long run by not paying pensions, and unemployment benefits, and free housing, the list is endless.
    Mixing some Fact and fiction up there Germanicus eh? The epitome of ignorance.

    Scotland's unemployment rate is 7.6%, lower than the UK average at 7.7%. Scotland generated 9.4% of UK tax with 8.4% of the population, but we receive 9.3% of total UK public sector expenditure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germanicus View Post
    Thats right, so lets take this jump and give the Scots free prescription cigarettes, it will certainly save us English tax payers money in the long run by not paying pensions, and unemployment benefits, and free housing, the list is endless.
    The money that goes to Scotland is decided by Westminster courtesy of the Barnett Formula. Scotland doesn't have the power to raise tax, so it would be the Treasury at Westminster that would lose if Scotland gave cigarettes on free prescription.

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