View Poll Results: Which country is most at fault?

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  • France

    40 28.37%
  • Russia

    14 9.93%
  • UK

    52 36.88%
  • USA

    95 67.38%
  • Germany

    38 26.95%
  • Italy

    8 5.67%
  • Sweden

    12 8.51%
  • The Netherlands

    17 12.06%
  • Other

    10 7.09%
  • None of them

    7 4.96%
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Thread: Which nation is most responsible for the decline of the Western and European world?

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    I suppose I'll open the first barrel on the French...

    I think the case of Jack Johnson brings to light the sharp contrasts between American society, France, and Europe in general of a century ago. America was still very much a racially conscious nation while others, particularly the French, were more 'tolerant'.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/boxin...n-memoir_N.htm

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    Jack Johnson's French musings become memoir

    SOUTH HADLEY, Mass. — Jack Johnson, addicted to attention and hoping to cement his legacy, loved to chronicle his rise from a restless Texas teen to the world's first black heavyweight boxing champion.
    Now, nearly a century after his most famous bout — the 1910 defeat of "Great White Hope" Jim Jeffries — and decades after his death, Johnson has more tales to tell.

    His largely unknown 1911 musings to a French sports magazine, including candid observations on racism likely never intended for American readers, have been translated to English in their entirety for the first time. The result, My Life & Battles, is a 127-page book by and about a pivotal figure in American culture.
    Johnson's 1908 championship and his 1910 defeat of Jeffries touched off race riots in America between downtrodden blacks who considered him a hero and white supremacists who deemed him a threat.

    "He really was a figure of great hatred and paranoia among many white Americans, and when he won the 1910 fight, it was considered on all sides to be a really monumental event," said Mount Holyoke College professor Christopher Rivers, who translated and published the 1911 memoirs.
    But the 1911 magazine articles assess what he called the "color line" with more frankness, likely because his audience was the more tolerant French public and not the tensely divided American populace.
    In 1913, he was convicted under the federal Mann Act of transporting a white woman across state lines for immoral purposes. That woman, Lucille Cameron, would later become his wife. He fled while his case was on appeal and spent seven years in exile in Canada, France, Great Britain and elsewhere in Europe.
    From Bonnett's Anti-Racism:
    With the republic, anyone can join the nation, whether catholic, protestant, or jew, white or black, rich or poor, by simply adhering to the project of Liberty and Equality.
    Hence, social equality is seen to be achieved through 'entry' into the universally valid ideals of the French Revolution, a perspective that establishes France as the progenitor, arbiter and authentic home of anti-racism.
    The President of the independent Mouvement Contre le Racisme l' Anti-Semitisme et Pour la Paix (MRAP) noted in 1957 that 'Anti-racism...reflects a glorious French tradition, affirmed throughout our history by Montaigne, to the Abbe Gregoire, from Schelcher to Zola, finding its expression in our immortal Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobody View Post
    I voted Germany & Italy, the Axis. They made racism into something evil & horrible. No one could (or still can) talk about racial preservation in America without being called a Nazi or a Fascist.
    It's easier to play the blame game than man up and admit who pioneered anti-racism... the USA.


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    The winners of WWII and their allies

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    I intended to put France (for the French revolution), USA (for Hollywood and some other post-War actions in Germany) and Russia (for Bolshevism obviously). However, it only put me down for France and the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyn View Post
    The Netherlands.
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apotheosis View Post
    It's easier to play the blame game than man up and admit who pioneered anti-racism... the USA.
    Anti-racism started in France, as I just demonstrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckelf View Post
    I intended to put France (for the French revolution), USA (for Hollywood and some other post-War actions in Germany) and Russia (for Bolshevism obviously). However, it only put me down for France and the US.
    You might look into the Hays Code. Hollywood was very restrained prior to about 1960. For example, depictions of miscegenation were banned by the code. This started to change in part from European, mainly French imports, which had seedy content, and were not subject to the code, and Hollywood had to lower the bar to compete.

    Which post-war actions in Germany are you referring to, btw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    Anti-racism started in France, as I just demonstrated.
    Who cares about who came up with it first. It is the USA who continues to pioneer it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Apotheosis View Post
    Who cares about who came up with it first. It is the USA who continues to pioneer it.
    The US is still more racist than most of the West, certainly countries like Sweden or the Netherlands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    The US is still more racist than most of the West, certainly countries like Sweden or the Netherlands.
    In the backwoods, certainly.


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