Language that ENF spoke

[loschbour_man]

Where did you read that? That's clearly not the case given their Y-DNA and autosomal results.

here, they are the part of "SW Europe" pulled towards MN-Europe

[CommonSense]

Mnogi su želeli da sakriju pravu istoriju srpskog naroda!

[loschbour_man]

Etruscans were very steppe influenced. just a little bit less than modern italians. so it's possible that steppe peoples spread some non indo-european languages too
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[SharpFork]

here, they are the part of "SW Europe" pulled towards MN-Europe

Am I reading this wrong? Compared to Sardinians, Southern Europeans are pulled heavily towards the rest of Europe.

[loschbour_man]

Am I reading this wrong? Compared to Sardinians, Southern Europeans are pulled heavily towards the rest of Europe.

yes, and the Basques the least so. before getting the indo-european influence Basques were like "northern Sardinians", they had slightly more WHG (MN Europe)

[dududud]

yes, and the Basques the least so. before getting the indo-european influence Basques were like northern Sardinians, they had slightly more WHG (MN Europe)

In barbagia they gets zero indo-europeans.

[wvwvw]

Etruscans were very steppe influenced. just a little bit less than modern italians. so it's possible that steppe peoples spread some non indo-european languages too
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The Etruscans were not a single entity, Etruria was inhabited by a dozen of unrelated tribes including the Tuscans, Tyrrhenians and the Pelasgians who conquered the Tyrrhenians and founded Tyrrhenian Athens. The term Etruria, Etruscans is only geographic. They were never collectively referred to as a people by Roman or Greek historians.

So-called Etruscan languages is nothing more than barbarised Indo-European and non IE. Look at a map and where is did the northern Italian tribes including the Tyrrsenoi, Tusci, Ligurians and Raetians alive? Round about where Switzerland is now. And what do we know about the Swiss? The speak 4 different languages including German, French and Italian.

Now add to that the fact that the Greek Pelasgians also lived in the same region, who Dionysus of Halicarnassus clearly states did not speak the same language and also include the Phoenicians or Carthaginians who lived in Sicily, Sardinia and also parts of northern Italy and you get an idea of the language they spoke. The languages has never been identified as Etruscan because Etruscan is a fictitious language.

[wvwvw]

probably the ancestor of Basque and Etruscan

The Basques were never an empire. They only survived because they were almost completely isolated from civilisation. Whereas the Greeks were masters of the sea long before the Egyptian Dynastic period even began and they have left behind archeological traces all over Europe that prove that. So it is quite obvious what language these farmers spoke and what Homo Sapiens who originated from Greece also spoke.

The European language evolved among people from the J2 DNA lineage who came from Anatolia and who combined with members of the E DNA linage who came from Egypt and migrated to Palestine and Greece. The root language was Greco-Phoenician which would have been very similar to proto-Greek.

Which is why the Sumerian has so many cognates with Greek. The root of names like Tammuz (Greek potamos), Sidon, Tyre (Tyranos) were all of Greco-Phoenician root.

These people brought Agriculture to Europe and hence the only source for the Agriculture terminology which would have made up over 70% of the original language.

[loschbour_man]

The Etruscans were not a single entity, Etruria was inhabited by a dozen of unrelated tribes including the Tuscans, Tyrrhenians and the Pelasgians who conquered the Tyrrhenians and founded Tyrrhenian Athens. The term Etruria, Etruscans is only geographic. They were never collectively referred to as a people by Roman or Greek historians.

So-called Etruscan languages is nothing more than barbarised Indo-European and non IE. Look at a map and where is did the northern Italian tribes including the Tyrrsenoi, Tusci, Ligurians and Raetians alive? Round about where Switzerland is now. And what do we know about the Swiss? The speak 4 different languages including German, French and Italian.

Now add to that the fact that the Greek Pelasgians also lived in the same region, who Dionysus of Halicarnassus clearly states did not speak the same language and also include the Phoenicians or Carthaginians who lived in Sicily, Sardinia and also parts of northern Italy and you get an idea of the language they spoke. The languages has never been identified as Etruscan because Etruscan is a fictitious language.

that is a leaked PCA from a paper that hasn't been published yet. on anthrogenica forum they assumed that those 4 purple squares are Etruscans (identified as such by the archaeologists. so not Tyrrhenians or anything else). but we don't know yet exactly.

Etruscan is definitely not a fictious language. i was surprised how much we actually know about it, i thought it was completely undeciphered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_language
look at these words. some similarities with finno-ugric, a lot of similarities with IE. i think it could be a language spread from the steppes in some earlier migration than most other IE

[wvwvw]

that is a leaked PCA from a paper that hasn't been published yet. on anthrogenica forum they assumed that those 4 purple squares are Etruscans (identified as such by the archaeologists. so not Tyrrhenians or anything else). but we don't know yet exactly.

Etruscan is definitely not a fictious language. i was surprised how much we actually know about it, i thought it was completely undeciphered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_language
look at these words. some similarities with finno-ugric, a lot of similarities with IE. i think it could be a language spread from the steppes in some earlier migration than most other IE

Actually this proves nothing. The Etruscans were not a people and no Roman or Greek historian referred to such an entity. Show me an eponymous founder of so-called Etruscans, there is none.

The proto-Indo-European is a racist theory invented by the predecessors ofthe NAZI's and by the Communist Slavs. No other linguistic community accepts or perpetuates this theory. All the "research" is accredited to Germans and Slavs and is not surprising that that in the German papers Germans is the root language, and in the Slavic papers Slavonic is the root. If Italians took up the theory then no doubt Latin would be made into the root language.

Everything is either written in German or in Slavic. All the German studies make Germanic the closest language to proto-Indo-European and when the Communists Slavs took up the subject they made Slavic into the closest language to proto-Indo-European. The whole filed of linguists is based on nationalist propaganda. Half the linguistic community does not accept the PIE theory at all.

What the research shows is that PIE itself must have been made of other languages that existed before it. Indo-European can only be used a a generic term to describe the modern peoples of Europe and India who speak languages which are intelligible to their close neighbours. This language did NOT originate from a single root but were made up of several independent languages which were combined by migrations, enslavement, and conquest of many thousands of years.

In 5000 BC a tribe of R1b Basques who migrated to the Balkans invented Latin by a combination of their language and the language of the J2 and E tribes already there.

The Archaeology shows that the first cites were built in eastern Anatolia 20,000 years ago and DNA shows that 10,000 years ago framers crossed over into Europe from Egypt and Palestine and according to the archaeology were in to Cyprus 9,000 years ago.

Were these city dwellers and framers mute. NO of course not. They had a language of their own and that language was Greco-Phoenician which I have shown in my previous post why it was very similar to proto-Greek. The Iberian migrants that came contributed a little bit to language but not much. But it was enough to cause a split from Anatolian languages that weren’t affected much from this ”invasion”. And enough for proto-Greek to be born.

All the terms used in farming, city building and kingship would have come form City Dwellers not nomads. How could a nomad who had never seen bread before have a word for bread. How could they have a word for vase when they made no vases. How could they have a word for cow when they had never domesticated a cow.

The proto-Indo-European cannot explain the existence of common Greek and Phoenician word root and thefore it is completely invalid. And its not just cow and sheep that Greek and Phoenician share in common but ALL the words of Kingship such as Baal, Polis, Belus, Melech, Melquart and Monarch derive from the root Wanakas which is found written in Linear-B and this is also the same word as the FAKE proto-Indo-European root for mthe number "one" or "ekas" and "une". What is this word doing in Phoenician. The FACT is that the word is GREEK and it was spread throughout Europe and Palestine by the Cretan Palace Civilisation through trade and conquest NOT by the FAKE proto-Indo-Europeans.