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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    No doubt many Jews have been subversive, or in some cases a non-factor either way, but for the sake of edification this will be an attempt to highlight some of the cases where Jews have been of benefit. Input is welcome.

    From Leon's The Jewish Question:




    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Oppenheimer



    The Great Turkish War, as some may know, included the Battle of Vienna (1683).



    The House of Rothschild:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family



    The Rothschilds, Disraeli, and the acquisition of the Suez Canal:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Disraeli



    Disraeli is one of my favorite British leaders.



    These will do for now. I may add more examples later.
    Rothschild's what? am I seeing things? They supported the creation of the Soviet Union where up to 60 + million Slavic people died.

    If you are going to say Jews benefitted us. I would say it would be in the means of Science, Invention ect.

    Jews are controlling & have done alot of damage. They have manipulated Europeans in wars & promoted the mass murder of many Europeans in their greedy ways.

    But, If there is any benefit it is almost exclusively that a hand full of very smart jews have invented things in our society.

    It is sure as hell not the Rothschild's who are benefiicial jews.

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    I don't really have much love for Jews, I see them as just more immigrants, if older, more established and less visible ones.

    I think the whole Jew bashing though does go a bit over board. I accept that there are many bad Jewish people and that many such people have held positions of power which has enabled them to do much evil in the world.
    But for the most part I think most aren't bad, there's just a bad minority which taints them as with any ethnicity.

    We only notice it more with Jews because they're picked out as different, different religion, ancestry and cultural practices.
    Many an Englishman, Spaniard or German for example has done things of equal negativity and yet we don't see that because they're the majority, we only see the minority Jews doing bad.
    Add to this that people see what they want to see and you have a bad name for the Jews.

    The problem with the Jews is that a lot of them hold high positions - large business owners, bankers, some politicians, heads of organisations, etc. So when a few bad apples amongst the Jews do appear it is easier for them to gain and thus exploit positions of power which has led to the "evil Jews" that people hate.

    I think about Jews as I do any other immigrant minorities, they shouldn't really be here and I don't want them taking over. I don't think there's much chance of that with their small numbers though, but I'd like to see less influence in business from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leibowitz View Post
    Even some so called racialists seem oblivious to Jewish brainwashing in the American media. The Jewish media was the prime reason for the success of MLK. They turned public opinion in favor of the Civil Rights movement. The production of the miniseries "Roots" in the 1970s was also a very effective propaganda tool to make whites feel guilty about slavery.

    Without the Jews, white Americans wouldn't be tormented by racial guilt.

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    They "achieved" their subdominant look because being forced into a subdominant position as farmers and city dwellers.

    It's in a way similar to what the Jews as a whole experienced when they were restricted to certain fields, for which they were both fit and had to adapt even more.

    In a similar way you deal in this case with a racial form which origins can be sought in the Caucasian mountains most likely.

    From there a rather progressive Armenoid group of people expanded into the Fertile Crescent were they mixed with local Alpinoids and other stock, but were finally bred to something more dependent, less warlike and herder adapted, tillers and city dwellers. Those were subjugated in a whole series of conquests with their own names being long forgotten, being related to the Churri/Hurrians, Urartians and Chatti/Hatti people of most likely Caucasian related languages. Those were not fully Armenoid in any case, but they already had the seeds in their genpool and at that time largest portion of the reduced Armenids already.

    They were later divided between Indoeuropeans (Hittites, Mitanni, Armenians, Kurds, Medes, Persians etc.), Semits (Jews, Arabs etc.) and Turkic people (Turks). So the Armenid type, common among Jews today, was originally no Semit racial type, but the local farmer and urban people's descendents Semits assimilated, similar to what happened by the Indoeuropeans in Armenia.

    In this subdominant position and in the context of sedentary people with low level individual and group selectionf or saving and social adaptation, they had to compete for their very own niche especially in the cities and more often than otherwise they succeeded in trading.

    We have the skeletons of the warriors and elite from Syria f.e. which looks still a like a highly progressive group of people but under this pretty surface this degenerated racial form emerged out of the subjugated people and had to adapt to its subdominant position, while striving for dominance from the back.

    This reduced Armenid variant is in comparison to others, even in its very own region:
    - disharmonious
    - unattractive
    - physically less potent and versatile
    - a subdominant physique
    - saving variants as they can comply better to deficiencies

    Thats for sure and I add to that:
    - less often among people which are ready to sacrifice or have higher Idealism
    - more often among people which are active in trade, corruption, political and intellectual manipulation

    Really they have no other niche or "right to exist" from a biological standpoint, their shere existence must be explained by an advantage for survival among the other forms in the Near East.

    Interestingly those variants are also among those with high social intelligence, they somewhat tend to a combination of schizothymic and zyklothymic trait in their own way.

    I'd suggest that in the situation of the South Western Fertile Crescent among the sedentary people a strong selection towards subdominant social adaptation took place, but with the result of a people, different f.e. from the Alpinid and Osteuropid type, which are not followers, but rather active hustlers which don't compete with the warrior, but in the priest and merchant class, or generally the adaptive and independent farmers.

    One has to say that the living conditions especially in this area of the Near East were really different, so it is just absurd to assume that the same selection worked there as f.e. in Eastern Europe.

    If you think that some Northern European areas have the same degree of urban life like those areas in the Near East since hundred of years or decades, those for many thousands of years and the reduced Armenid type was not present originally in significant numbers, was not the founder of civilisation, but rather a niche adaptation after the civilisation was established by mostly Mediterranoid people.

    I suggest: Proto-Iranoid -> progressive Armenoid in the Caucasian mountain areas -> expansion into the valleys and the Fertile crescent, mixture with Alpinoids and selection for a more sedentary, saving farmer variant and city dweller. In those cities strong selection for "clever social competition from a subdominant starting position" in the context of the chaotic habitat of the Near Eastern cities.

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    Pathetic, Joe. Simply pathetic...
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarty
    From Leon's The Jewish Question:
    The financial support furnished the kings by the Jews was indispensable to them in their struggle against the nobility as well as in their opposition to the growing demands of the cities. It was the Jews who first permitted the kings to maintain costly armies of mercenaries which begin to take the place of the undisciplined hordes of the nobility These armies first served foreign policy. Thus, in Spain, it was in large part Jewish finance which allowed the kings to defeat the Arabs. “In 1263, the Jewish banker Jehudah de Cavallera loans the king [of Aragon] a great sum which permits him to equip a flotilla against the Arabs. In 1276, Cavallera amasses funds for an army which fights the Arabs at Valencia.”
    Not only your "source" is a pamphlet by a Jewish Trotskyst activist, but he also doesn't give any sources to back his claims.

    I've never ever come across the name Ravia for a Jewish financier in Spain –as claimed in the pamphlet– in the many books and texts that I've read about Spanish Middle Ages History, by Spanish authors as well as British, French and American. And I can assure you that a few of them would be suspect of Jewish sympathies rather than the opposite.

    I've attempted a search on the internet for a few combinations with the word "ravia", and most I get is the mispelling "rabia", for rabies or rage.

    Where your "source" makes claims for the also unknown to me Cavallera having lent money in 1276 to fight the Muslims at Valencia, my home...

    ..well, it just happens that the Conquest of Valencia went from 1229 till 1245. So by 1276 Moors were all gone with the exception of the Morisco population that was expelled much later.

    I suggest that the next time that you embark yourself on your calvinistic mission of judaising through lying and deceiving, you do it with "sources" that are less pathetic than this one.

    The other reason that I suspect that has led you to this petty attempt of judaisation –apart from the obvious one, which is you being of Protestant Calvinist origins– is that you've found how central Jews have been for the making of (and ruling of) the British Empire and, as the old Castilian saying goes, the thief believes that everyone is of his same condition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    No doubt many Jews have been subversive, or in some cases a non-factor either way, but for the sake of edification this will be an attempt to highlight some of the cases where Jews have been of benefit. Input is welcome.
    For which you've quoted a pamphlet by one of the most subversive types ever (next to Calvinist propagandists), a Jewish Trotskyst activist!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    How about Felix Mendelssohn? I'd say he better encapsulated the Germanic music traditions than, say, Liszt or Wagner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kataphraktoi View Post
    How about Felix Mendelssohn? I'd say he better encapsulated the Germanic music traditions than, say, Liszt or Wagner.
    His music is almost more German in spirit then that what many of his German contemporaries came up with but the number of Jews that have been truly beneficial to European civilisation is somewhat limited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savant View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    Surely we can get more coherent missives than this?


    Joe McCarthy says Thank You to Savant For This Useful Post



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    A much needed clarification..

    I'm not anti-Jewish in principle.

    The problem comes when people can't tell Jewish apart from Judaic.

    Joe and the Brits and Yanks rallying behind and around him, are being Judaic. Sad but true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Palleter View Post
    Pathetic, Joe. Simply pathetic...

    Not only your "source" is a pamphlet by a Jewish Trotskyst activist, but he also doesn't give any sources to back his claims.

    I've never ever come across the name Ravia for a Jewish financier in Spain –as claimed in the pamphlet– in the many books and texts that I've read about Spanish Middle Ages History, by Spanish authors as well as British, French and American. And I can assure you that a few of them would be suspect of Jewish sympathies rather than the opposite.

    I've attempted a search on the internet for a few combinations with the word "ravia", and most I get is the mispelling "rabia", for rabies or rage.

    Where your "source" makes claims for the also unknown to me Cavallera having lent money in 1276 to fight the Muslims at Valencia, my home...

    ..well, it just happens that the Conquest of Valencia went from 1229 till 1245. So by 1276 Moors were all gone with the exception of the Morisco population that was expelled much later.

    I suggest that the next time that you embark yourself on your calvinistic mission of judaising through lying and deceiving, you do it with "sources" that are less pathetic than this one.

    The other reason that I suspect that has led you to this petty attempt of judaisation –apart from the obvious one, which is you being of Protestant Calvinist origins– is that you've found how central Jews have been for the making of (and ruling of) the British Empire and, as the old Castilian saying goes, the thief believes that everyone is of his same condition.

    For which you've quoted a pamphlet by one of the most subversive types ever (next to Calvinist propagandists), a Jewish Trotskyst activist!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Okay, well let's sift through all of the chaff in this post and cut to the core of it, which is the matter of the events in Valencia in 1276, which you attempt to appear to be some kind of 'Jewish lie' or some such. I think the following will demonstrate that Abraham Leon, Jewish Marxist though he certainly was, is a better source than you are:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timel...rian_peninsula

    1276 - Muslim revolt in Valencia
    Happy now?

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