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    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
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    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Eph. 6:12

    Definition of untrustworthy and loose character are those that don't believe in God.


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    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
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    Are there any autosomal results of Sarakatsan people? I think Greek Sarakatsans results they would be typical for Greek Mainlanders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xripkan View Post
    Are there any autosomal results of Sarakatsan people? I think Greek Sarakatsans results they would be typical for Greek Mainlanders.
    23andme

    85% Balkan
    10% Italian
    5% North West
    0% East
    0% MENA

    I've got my results floating on the forum somewhere. Cbf posting them again but thats it in a nutshell.
    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Eph. 6:12

    Definition of untrustworthy and loose character are those that don't believe in God.


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    John Campbell states, after his own field work among the Sarakatsani in the 1950s, that the Sarakatsani are in a different position from the Vlachs, meaning the Aromanians and the Arvanitovlachs. The Vlachs are usually bilingual in Greek and Aromanian, while the Sarakatsani communities have always spoken only Greek and have known no other language. He also asserts that the increasing pressure on the limited areas available for winter grazing in the coastal plains has resulted in disputes between the two groups on the use of the pastures. In addition, during the time of his research, many Vlachs often lived in substantial villages where shepherding was not among their occupations, and demonstrated different art forms, values and institutions, from those of the Sarakatsani.[18] The Sarakatsani also differ from the Vlachs in that they dower their daughters, assign a lower position to women and adhere to an even stricter patriarchal structure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    I'm Sarakatsan and I'm R1b...
    I highly doubt that.

    Just like you mentioned Sarakatsani are Cro Magnid, they would not be R1b. Cro Magnons were almost entirely IJ. The R haplogroup was introduced much later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarakatsanoPontio View Post
    I highly doubt that.

    Just like you mentioned Sarakatsani are Cro Magnid, they would not be R1b. Cro Magnons were almost entirely IJ. The R haplogroup was introduced much later.
    You are Pontian why do you care.
    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Eph. 6:12

    Definition of untrustworthy and loose character are those that don't believe in God.


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